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From: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
To: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	shannon@widomaker.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: NFS and kernel 2.6.x
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:55:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1082130906.2581.10.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040416090331.GC22226@mail.shareable.org>

On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 02:03, Jamie Lokier wrote:

> Perhaps because 2.6 changes the UDP retransmit model for NFS, to
> estimate the round-trip time and thus retransmit faster than 2.4
> would.  Sometimes _much_ faster: I observed retransmits within a few
> hundred microseconds.

Retransmits within a few 100 microsecond should no longer be occurring.
Have you redone those measurements with a more recent kernel?
2.6.x and 2.4.x should have pretty much the same code for RTO
estimation.

In fact pretty much all the 2.4.x and 2.6.x RPC code is shared. The one
difference is that 2.6.x uses zero copy writes.


> There was also a problem with late 2.5 clients and "soft" NFS mounts.
> Requests would timeout after a fixed number of retransmits, which on a
> LAN could be after a few milliseconds due to round-trip estimation and
> fast server response.  Then when an I/O on the server took longer,
> e.g. due to a disk seek or contention, the client would timeout and
> abort requests.  2.4 doesn't have this problem with "soft" due to the
> longer, fixed retransmit timeout.  I don't know if it is fixed in
> current 2.6 kernels - but you can avoid it by not using "soft" anyway.

Or changing the default value of "retrans" to something more sane. As
usual, Linux has a default that is lower than on any other platform.

Cheers,
  Trond

  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-16 15:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-16  1:14 Charles Shannon Hendrix
2004-04-16  1:31 ` Trond Myklebust
2004-04-16  1:53   ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-16  2:54     ` Trond Myklebust
2004-04-16  4:59       ` Phil Oester
2004-04-16  5:29         ` Trond Myklebust
2004-04-16  7:13           ` Paul Wagland
2004-04-16 14:44           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-04-16 14:46             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-04-16 15:50             ` Trond Myklebust
2004-04-16 15:55             ` Dave Gilbert (Home)
2004-04-16 16:13               ` Trond Myklebust
2004-04-16 19:07                 ` Daniel Egger
2004-04-17  4:56                   ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-17  9:56                     ` Daniel Egger
2004-04-17  5:24                   ` Trond Myklebust
2004-04-17 14:15                     ` Daniel Egger
2004-04-16 19:11                 ` Charles Shannon Hendrix
2004-04-17 16:44           ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-04-17 18:15             ` Trond Myklebust
2004-04-17 18:32               ` Marc Singer
2004-04-17 18:58                 ` Trond Myklebust
2004-04-17 19:01                   ` Marc Singer
2004-04-17 19:09                     ` Trond Myklebust
2004-04-17 19:19                       ` Russell King
2004-04-18  2:51                         ` Trond Myklebust
2004-04-19 16:39                           ` Trond Myklebust
2004-04-19 21:10                             ` Trond Myklebust
2004-04-17 22:22                   ` Marc Singer
2004-04-18  0:57                     ` Trond Myklebust
2004-04-18  5:01                       ` Marc Singer
2004-04-18  6:36                         ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-18  7:56                           ` Russell King
2004-04-18 17:31                             ` Marc Singer
2004-04-17 19:01                 ` Daniel Egger
2004-04-17 20:22                   ` Marc Singer
2004-04-18 11:14                     ` Daniel Egger
2004-04-19  9:06             ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-16  9:03     ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-16 15:55       ` Trond Myklebust [this message]
2004-04-16 18:48         ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-16 19:06           ` Trond Myklebust
2004-04-16 19:39             ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-17 22:32               ` Trond Myklebust
2004-04-18  3:26                 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-18  7:03                   ` Trond Myklebust
2004-04-18 23:22                     ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-19 15:38                       ` Trond Myklebust
2004-04-19 16:19                         ` Trond Myklebust
2004-04-20  0:09                         ` Jamie Lokier
     [not found]   ` <20040416190126.GB408@widomaker.com>
     [not found]     ` <1082144608.2581.156.camel@lade.trondhjem.org>
     [not found]       ` <20040417000353.GA3750@widomaker.com>
2004-04-17  5:28         ` Trond Myklebust
2004-04-17 17:55           ` Charles Shannon Hendrix
2004-04-17 18:55             ` Trond Myklebust
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     [not found]           ` <1LDBL-uY-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-04-16 20:31             ` Andi Kleen

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