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From: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
To: Daniel Jacobowitz <dan@debian.org>
Cc: Junfeng Yang <yjf@stanford.edu>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [CHECKER] inconsistent NFS stat cache (NFS on ext3, 2.6.11)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:50:09 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1110761410.30085.13.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050314003512.GA16875@nevyn.them.org>

su den 13.03.2005 Klokka 19:35 (-0500) skreiv Daniel Jacobowitz:
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 03:42:29PM -0500, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> > su den 13.03.2005 Klokka 15:04 (-0500) skreiv Daniel Jacobowitz:
> > 
> > > I can't find any documentation about this, but it seems like the same
> > > problem that has been causing me headaches lately; when I replace glibc
> > > from the server side of an nfsroot, the client has a couple of
> > > variously wrong reads before it sees the new files.  If it breaks NFS
> > > so badly, why is it the default for the Linux NFS server?
> > 
> > No, that's a very different issue: you are violating the NFS cache
> > consistency rules if you are changing a file that is being held open by
> > other machines.
> > The correct way to do the above is to use GNU install with the '-b'
> > option: that will rename the version of glibc that is in use, and then
> > install the new glibc in a different inode.
> 
> [closed and/or irrelevant lists removed from CC:]
> 
> No, the copy of glibc in question is not in use at the time.  The next
> attempt to open it on the client will sometimes generate a "stale NFS
> handle" message, or if the open succeeds a read will sometimes return
> EIO.  But it sounds like this is a different problem than the original
> poster was testing for.

Sorry, but you should _never_ have gotten an ESTALE error if the file
was not in use when you deleted the old copy of glibc. A fresh call to
open() will always result in a new lookup of the filehandle.
What may have happened in the case of the EIO error is that you may have
raced: i.e. a client starts reading the file while it is being copied
to.

You'll rather want to ask Neil Brown about why subtree_check is still
the default for knfsd. He is the NFS server maintainer.

Cheers,
  Trond
-- 
Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>


  reply	other threads:[~2005-03-14  0:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-12 11:56 Junfeng Yang
2005-03-13  5:04 ` Trond Myklebust
2005-03-13  6:16   ` Junfeng Yang
2005-03-13 20:04   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-03-13 20:42     ` Trond Myklebust
2005-03-13 20:46       ` Trond Myklebust
2005-03-14  0:35       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-03-14  0:50         ` Trond Myklebust [this message]
2005-03-14  0:54           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-03-14  0:56           ` Neil Brown

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