From: john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>
To: Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
George Anzinger <george@mvista.com>,
frank@tuxrocks.com, Anton Blanchard <anton@samba.org>,
benh@kernel.crashing.org, Nishanth Aravamudan <nacc@us.ibm.com>,
Ulrich Windl <ulrich.windl@rz.uni-regensburg.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC - 0/9] Generic timekeeping subsystem (v. B5)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:17:28 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1124241449.8630.137.camel@cog.beaverton.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0508162337130.3728@scrub.home>
On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 02:28 +0200, Roman Zippel wrote:
> Let's look at the example patch below. I played a little with some code
> and this just demonstrates an accurate conversion of the tick/freq values
> into the internal values in ns resolution. It does a little more work
> ahead, but the interrupt code becomes simpler and most important it
> doesn't require any expensive 64bit math and you can't get it much more
> accurate than that. The current gettimeofday code for tick based sources
> is really cheap and I'd like to keep that (i.e. free of 64bit math). The
> accuracy can and should be fixed (the change to timespec wasn't really a
> major improvement, as it introduced new rounding errors).
Hmm. It could really use some comments, but it looks interesting. Let me
continue reading it and play around with it some more.
> The other thing the example demonstrates is the interface from NTP to
> timer code. The NTP code provides the basic parameters and then leaves it
> to the clock implementation how they apply. The adjustment and phase
> variables are really private variables.
If they are private clock variables, why are they in the generic
timer.c? Everyone is using it in exactly the same way, no? Why do you
oppose having the adjustment and phase values behind an ntp_function()
interface?
Maybe to focus this productively, I'll try to step back and outline the
goals at a high level and you can address those.
My Assumptions:
1. adjtimex() sets/gets NTP state values
2. Every tick we adjust those state values
3. Every tick we use those values to make a nanosecond adjustment to
time.
4. Those state values are otherwise unused.
Goals:
1. Isolate NTP code to clean up the tick based timekeeping, reducing the
spaghetti-like code interactions.
2. Add interfaces to allow for continuous, rather then tick based,
adjustments (much how ppc64 does currently, only shareable).
thanks
-john
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-08-17 1:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-08-11 1:21 [RFC - 0/13] NTP cleanup work " john stultz
2005-08-11 1:23 ` [RFC][PATCH - 1/13] NTP cleanup: Move NTP code into ntp.c john stultz
2005-08-11 1:25 ` [RFC][PATCH - 2/13] NTP cleanup: Move arches to new ntp interfaces john stultz
2005-08-11 1:26 ` [RFC][PATCH - 3/13] NTP cleanup: Remove unused NTP PPS code john stultz
2005-08-11 1:27 ` [RFC][PATCH - 4/13] NTP cleanup: Breakup ntp_adjtimex() john stultz
2005-08-11 1:28 ` [RFC][PATCH - 5/13] NTP cleanup: Break out leapsecond processing john stultz
2005-08-11 1:28 ` [RFC][PATCH - 6/13] NTP cleanup: Clean up ntp_adjtimex() arguement checking john stultz
2005-08-11 1:31 ` [RFC][PATCH - 7/13] NTP cleanup: Cleanup signed shifting logic john stultz
2005-08-11 1:31 ` [RFC][PATCH - 8/13] NTP cleanup: Integrate second_overflow() logic john stultz
2005-08-11 1:33 ` [RFC][PATCH - 9/13] NTP cleanup: Improve NTP variable names john stultz
2005-08-11 1:33 ` [RFC][PATCH - 10/13] NTP cleanup: Use ntp_lock instead of xtime_lock john stultz
2005-08-11 1:35 ` [RFC][PATCH - 11/13] NTP cleanup: Introduce PPM adjustment variables john stultz
2005-08-11 1:36 ` [RFC][PATCH - 12/13] NTP cleanup: cleanup ntp_advance() adjtime code john stultz
2005-08-11 1:38 ` [RFC][PATCH - 13/13] NTP cleanup: drop time_phase and time_adj add copyright john stultz
2005-08-16 2:08 ` [RFC][PATCH - 4/13] NTP cleanup: Breakup ntp_adjtimex() john stultz
2005-08-11 2:13 ` [RFC - 0/9] Generic timekeeping subsystem (v. B5) john stultz
2005-08-11 2:14 ` [PATCH 1/9] Timesource management code john stultz
2005-08-11 2:16 ` [PATCH 2/9] Generic timekeeping core subsystem john stultz
2005-08-11 2:18 ` [PATCH 3/9] Generic timekeeping i386 arch specific changes, part 1 john stultz
2005-08-11 2:19 ` [PATCH 4/9] generic timekeeping i386 arch specific changes, part 2 john stultz
2005-08-11 2:20 ` [PATCH 5/9] generic timekeeping i386 arch specific changes, part 3 john stultz
2005-08-11 2:21 ` [PATCH 6/9] generic timekeeping i386 arch specific changes, part 4 john stultz
2005-08-11 2:23 ` [PATCH 7/9] generic timekeeping i386 arch specific changes, part 5 john stultz
2005-08-11 2:24 ` [PATCH 8/9] generic timekeeping i386 arch specific changes, part 6 john stultz
2005-08-11 2:25 ` [PATCH 9/9] generic timekeeping i386 specific timesources john stultz
2005-08-11 2:32 ` [RFC - 0/9] Generic timekeeping subsystem (v. B5) Lee Revell
2005-08-11 2:39 ` john stultz
2005-08-11 2:44 ` Lee Revell
2005-08-11 6:17 ` Ulrich Windl
2005-08-11 2:37 ` [RFC] Cumulative NTP cleanujp and generic timekeeping patch (v B5) john stultz
2005-08-15 22:14 ` [RFC - 0/9] Generic timekeeping subsystem (v. B5) Roman Zippel
2005-08-16 0:10 ` john stultz
2005-08-16 18:25 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-08-16 23:48 ` john stultz
2005-08-17 0:14 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-08-17 0:17 ` john stultz
2005-08-17 0:21 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-08-17 6:08 ` Ulrich Windl
2005-08-17 14:07 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-08-17 0:28 ` Roman Zippel
2005-08-17 1:17 ` john stultz [this message]
2005-08-17 7:40 ` Ulrich Windl
2005-08-19 0:27 ` Roman Zippel
2005-08-20 2:32 ` john stultz
2005-08-21 23:19 ` Roman Zippel
2005-08-22 18:57 ` john stultz
2005-08-23 11:30 ` Roman Zippel
2005-08-23 18:52 ` john stultz
2005-08-23 20:51 ` john stultz
2005-08-23 21:34 ` Roman Zippel
2005-08-23 23:14 ` john stultz
2005-08-23 23:54 ` Roman Zippel
2005-08-24 0:29 ` George Anzinger
2005-08-24 20:36 ` john stultz
2005-08-24 23:46 ` George Anzinger
2005-08-25 0:42 ` john stultz
2005-08-25 1:44 ` George Anzinger
2005-08-25 2:13 ` john stultz
2005-08-24 6:34 ` Ulrich Windl
2005-08-24 9:47 ` Roman Zippel
2005-08-24 18:00 ` john stultz
2005-08-24 18:48 ` Roman Zippel
2005-08-24 19:15 ` john stultz
2005-08-24 19:49 ` Roman Zippel
2005-08-24 22:40 ` john stultz
2005-08-25 0:45 ` Roman Zippel
2005-08-25 18:08 ` john stultz
2005-08-17 19:03 ` George Anzinger
2005-08-15 22:12 ` [RFC - 0/13] NTP cleanup work " Roman Zippel
2005-08-15 22:46 ` john stultz
2005-08-17 0:10 ` Roman Zippel
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