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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Ihno Krumreich <ihno@suse.de>, Olaf Hering <olh@suse.de>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: 2.6.17-rc4-mm1: please drop add-raw-driver-kconfig-entry-for-s390.patch
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:12:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1147871553.10470.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060516161228.GF5677@stusta.de>

On Maw, 2006-05-16 at 18:12 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> Since it seems the NAK's of Christoph and Martin weren't enough:
>   NAK++

Then lets add an ACK++ as well

> This driver is declared obsolete since more than two years, and while 
> it's worth a discussion how long to keep it for legacy users, merging a 
> patch offering an obsolete driver for even more users is silly.

The real world expects a raw driver. Application authors also expect the
same functionality on all platforms. 

Also in truth you can NACK and "obsolete" the raw devices all you like,
nobody in the distribution world will drop it because it is part of
"standard" unix/linux OS functionality and has been for longer than
Linux even existed. If you want to fork Linux between "Linux the real
world", and "Linux the abstract unused by anyone perfection" that's a
fine way to ensure such a split happens.

You know the O_DIRECT stuff is better, I know the O_DIRECT stuff is
better, but so was betamax and so is a Dvorak keyboard...

I happen to like "Linux the real world OS", if I wanted to run something
more abstractly elegant then I'd download Plan 9. 

ACK

Alan


      parent reply	other threads:[~2006-05-17 13:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-05-15  7:56 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Andrew Morton
2006-05-15 10:09 ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Eric Dumazet
2006-05-15 11:03   ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Andrew Morton
2006-05-15 11:42     ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Pekka Enberg
2006-05-15 13:28     ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Eric Dumazet
2006-05-15 13:12 ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Reuben Farrelly
2006-05-15 22:09   ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Neil Brown
2006-05-15 14:08 ` [PATCH] x86 NUMA panic compile error Andy Whitcroft
2006-05-15 17:53   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-05-15 18:01     ` Andi Kleen
2006-05-15 18:14       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-05-15 18:08     ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-15 18:08       ` Andy Whitcroft
2006-05-15 18:24         ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-15 18:24           ` Andi Kleen
2006-05-15 19:45           ` Martin Bligh
2006-05-15 18:13       ` Andi Kleen
2006-05-15 18:31         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-05-15 18:34         ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-15 18:37           ` Andi Kleen
2006-05-15 18:49             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-05-15 19:05             ` Dave Hansen
2006-05-15 19:11               ` Andi Kleen
2006-05-15 19:26                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-05-15 19:38                   ` Andi Kleen
2006-05-16  7:06                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-05-16  9:22                       ` Andi Kleen
2006-05-15 19:39                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-15 19:47                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-05-15 19:59                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-15 20:02                         ` Andi Kleen
2006-05-15 23:06                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-05-17  0:39                   ` Dave Jones
2006-05-17  1:21                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-05-15 18:43           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-05-15 18:28       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-05-15 18:52         ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-15 18:56           ` Andi Kleen
2006-05-15 18:59             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-05-15 18:56           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-05-15 19:06             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-05-15 16:40 ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Michal Piotrowski
2006-05-15 17:04   ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Andrew Morton
2006-05-15 17:30     ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Takashi Iwai
2006-05-15 17:56       ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Takashi Iwai
2006-05-15 18:11         ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Andrew Morton
2006-05-16  9:04           ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Takashi Iwai
2006-05-15 18:50         ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Michal Piotrowski
2006-05-15 16:49 ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Alexey Dobriyan
2006-05-15 17:01   ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Andrew Morton
2006-05-15 18:01     ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Alexey Dobriyan
2006-05-15 19:29     ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Michael Halcrow
2006-05-15 17:48 ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Michal Piotrowski
2006-05-15 18:00   ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Andrew Morton
2006-05-15 18:05 ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Jesper Juhl
2006-05-15 18:37 ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Michal Piotrowski
2006-05-15 18:53   ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Andrew Morton
2006-05-15 19:10     ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Michal Piotrowski
2006-05-15 19:26       ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Andrew Morton
2006-05-15 20:17         ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Michal Piotrowski
2006-05-16  8:39           ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Jean Delvare
2006-05-16 12:55             ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Jean Delvare
2006-05-16 14:48               ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Jean Delvare
2006-05-16 15:18                 ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Stephen Hemminger
2006-05-16 15:23                 ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Jean Delvare
2006-05-16 16:08                   ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Greg KH
2006-05-16 16:27                     ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Stephen Hemminger
2006-05-16 16:49                       ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Greg KH
2006-05-15 19:28 ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 Ingo Molnar
     [not found] ` <6bffcb0e0605151003x5d3518b9o70dae3b3349c4f9f@mail.gmail.com>
2006-05-15 22:24   ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1 David Woodhouse
2006-05-16 10:25 ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1: no help text for MTD_NAND_CS553 Adrian Bunk
2006-05-16 12:13   ` David Woodhouse
2006-05-16 11:46 ` [-mm patch] drivers/mtd/devices/docprobe.c: correct #if's Adrian Bunk
2006-05-16 12:14   ` David Woodhouse
2006-05-16 11:48 ` [-mm patch] make dvb/b2c2/flexcop-fe-tuner.c:alps_tdee4_stv0297_tuner_set_params() static Adrian Bunk
2006-05-16 12:15 ` [-mm patch] drivers/media/video/pwc/: make code static Adrian Bunk
2006-05-16 12:32 ` [-mm patch] make variables static after klibc merge Adrian Bunk
2006-05-16 12:37 ` [-mm patch] make drivers/mtd/nand/cs553x_nand.c:cs553x_init() static Adrian Bunk
2006-05-16 13:04   ` David Woodhouse
2006-05-16 12:39 ` [-mm patch] fs/nfs/: make code static Adrian Bunk
2006-05-16 13:24 ` [-mm patch] arch/i386/oprofile/: make functions static Adrian Bunk
2006-05-16 18:16   ` Andi Kleen
2006-05-16 19:07   ` Andi Kleen
2006-05-16 15:26 ` [-mm patch] fs/ocfs2/dlm/: cleanups Adrian Bunk
2006-05-17  1:36   ` Mark Fasheh
2006-05-16 15:30 ` [-mm patch] drivers/net/s2io.c: make bus_speed[] static Adrian Bunk
2006-05-16 15:36   ` Andreas Mohr
2006-05-16 16:42     ` Adrian Bunk
2006-05-24  5:28   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-16 16:12 ` 2.6.17-rc4-mm1: please drop add-raw-driver-kconfig-entry-for-s390.patch Adrian Bunk
2006-05-16 16:37   ` Olaf Hering
2006-05-16 17:44     ` [2.6 patch] the overdue removal of the obsolete raw driver Adrian Bunk
2006-05-16 17:50       ` Olaf Hering
2006-05-17 13:12   ` Alan Cox [this message]

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