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From: john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>
To: Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: clocksource
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 13:20:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1149538810.9226.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0606050141120.17704@scrub.home>

On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 01:50 +0200, Roman Zippel wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Sun, 4 Jun 2006, Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
> > time-use-clocksource-infrastructure-for-update_wall_time.patch
> 
> I still disagree with the update_wall_time() changes, they should be kept 
> the new separate from this. 

Is this directly related to the next item (if so, how?), or just
preference? I'd really like to avoid having multiple code paths for the
timekeeping core, so I'd like to see this unified. I'm willing to
optimize out bits w/ constants and whatnot, but I worry it will be a
nightmare to maintain if we have multiple generic update_wall_time
implementations.

> The error algorithm is a somewhat old version 
> and can cause oscillation and thus a confused clock.

Would you mind elaborating on this? Which aspect of the error algorithm
is off? How does the clock become confused? Could you point to the line
numbers, etc?  I assume your last patchset contains the current version?

> > time-let-user-request-precision-from-current_tick_length.patch
> 
> This is broken, as it simply throws away resolution depending on the 
> clock.

So if the clock shift value is less then 12 (SHIFT_SCALE - 10), this is
true, and currently that's only the jiffies case.

Just to be clear, are you then suggesting that the accumulation in
update_wall_time should be done in a fixed shifted nanosecond unit
regardless of the clock shift value? Is SHIFT_SCALE-10, good enough in
your mind for this?

That seems not too difficult to do, and can be done w/ an incremental
patch. I'll try to crank that out today.

> These are two key problems, the rest can be fixed incrementally.

If these are really blockers, I want to get them resolved in the next
day or so (I'd really like to avoid having Andrew carry them for yet
another cycle). So I'd appreciate your help in correcting these issues.

thanks
-john


  reply	other threads:[~2006-06-05 20:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 166+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-04 20:50 2.6.18 -mm merge plans Andrew Morton
2006-06-04 21:20 ` 2.6.18 hdrinstall (Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Bernhard Rosenkraenzer
2006-06-04 21:33 ` header cleanup and install David Woodhouse
2006-06-04 21:43   ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05 10:52   ` Jens Axboe
2006-06-05 10:54     ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-05 10:59       ` Jens Axboe
2006-06-05 10:57         ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-05 11:03           ` Jens Axboe
2006-06-05 18:09             ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05 19:19               ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-17 20:35                 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-06-17 21:20                   ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-04 21:36 ` 2.6.18 -mm merge plans Alan Cox
2006-06-04 21:41 ` kbuild, kconfig and hrdinstall stuff Sam Ravnborg
2006-06-04 21:54   ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-04 23:04 ` klibc (was: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-05 18:09   ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-06 15:20   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-06 20:56     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-06-07  3:37       ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-07  4:00       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-07  4:10         ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-07  4:25           ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-07  4:26             ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-07  6:22               ` klibc Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-07  6:38                 ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-07  6:51             ` klibc (was: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Joshua Hudson
2006-06-07 21:12               ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-09  8:03                 ` klibc Nix
2006-06-09 18:45                   ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                   ` <bda6d13a0606091050n40fda044v668eef09af3c29a7@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                     ` <871wty6rl9.fsf@hades.wkstn.nix>
2006-06-09 22:28                       ` klibc Joshua Hudson
2006-06-09 22:48                         ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-09 23:13                           ` klibc Joshua Hudson
2006-06-09 23:44                             ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-16  6:02                               ` klibc Joshua Hudson
2006-06-16 19:19                                 ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-07  8:44       ` klibc (was: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Pavel Machek
2006-06-07  9:44         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-06-04 23:50 ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-05 20:20   ` john stultz [this message]
2006-06-05 20:53     ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-05 21:07     ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-06 19:42       ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-07  0:41         ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-08  8:05           ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-15 11:40             ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-16  3:21               ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-16  3:35                 ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-16 15:33                 ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-16 18:48                   ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-17 19:45                     ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-17 17:04                 ` clocksource Andrew Morton
2006-06-05  0:02 ` utsname/hostname Randy.Dunlap
2006-06-05  1:06   ` utsname/hostname Andrew Morton
2006-06-05  3:10     ` utsname/hostname Randy.Dunlap
     [not found] ` <20060605002807.GA4919@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2006-06-05  0:28   ` readahead benchmark Fengguang Wu
2006-06-05  1:02     ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05  0:32 ` new SCSI drivers (was Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Jeff Garzik
     [not found] ` <20060605010501.GA4931@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2006-06-05  1:05   ` statistics infrastructure Fengguang Wu
2006-06-05 16:30   ` Greg KH
2006-06-13 23:47     ` statistics infrastructure (in -mm tree) review Greg KH
2006-06-14  0:18       ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-06-14 16:45         ` Greg KH
2006-06-14 22:48         ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-19 22:12           ` Greg KH
2006-06-20 15:40             ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-20 16:50               ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-06-21 18:51                 ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-21 19:38                   ` Matthew Frost
2006-06-22 11:43                     ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-14  5:04       ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-14 22:49         ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-16 20:40           ` Greg KH
2006-06-16 21:34             ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-17  6:51           ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-17 11:03             ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-17 10:30       ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-05  1:06 ` wireless (was Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Jeff Garzik
2006-06-05  1:15   ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05  8:33     ` Andreas Mohr
2006-06-05  8:45       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-05 10:26         ` Alan Cox
2006-06-05 10:35           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-05 10:59             ` Alan Cox
2006-06-10  6:58             ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-05  8:54   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-05 12:33     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-05 12:48       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-05 12:52         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-05 14:02           ` Linux kernel and laws Adrian Bunk
2006-06-05 14:21             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-06-06  5:33             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-06-05 13:27     ` wireless (was Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) John W. Linville
2006-06-05 13:31       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-05 13:42       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-05 16:24       ` Alan Cox
2006-06-29 14:26         ` ACX100 (softmac-based) driver ready to merge, but is it legal? -- " John W. Linville
     [not found]           ` <20060629144233.GB24463@tuxdriver.com>
2006-06-29 14:47             ` [Acx100-users] Denis Vlasenko, where are you? (mail bounced) Andreas Mohr
2006-06-05  1:32 ` merging new drivers (was Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Jeff Garzik
2006-06-05  1:47   ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05  8:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-05  9:10       ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05  9:16         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-05 11:10       ` Ivan Novick
2006-06-05 11:26         ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-05  6:58   ` Francois Romieu
2006-06-05 10:32     ` Alan Cox
2006-06-05 10:36       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-06  2:02         ` Chris Wright
2006-06-06  7:01           ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-06 13:04             ` Steven Rostedt
2006-06-05 13:38 ` 2.6.18 -mm merge plans -- GFS David Woodhouse
2006-06-05 14:10   ` Russell King
2006-06-05 15:01   ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-07  7:12     ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-05 14:08 ` 2.6.18 -mm merge plans Oleg Nesterov
2006-06-05 14:43 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-08 19:56   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-09 13:02     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-09 23:25     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-10  0:39       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-10  1:23         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-10  7:52           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-10  8:09           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-10  9:53       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-06  0:54 ` Merge of per task delay accounting (was Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Balbir Singh
2006-06-06 22:28   ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-06 22:40     ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-08 14:27       ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-08 17:42         ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-08 18:36           ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-08 19:33             ` Balbir Singh
2006-06-06 22:52     ` Jay Lan
2006-06-06 22:55       ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-12 12:02       ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-12 13:28         ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-06 12:32 ` 2.6.18 -mm pi-futex merge Steven Rostedt
2006-06-06 13:34   ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-06 13:44     ` Steven Rostedt
2006-06-06 14:42 ` genirq Ingo Molnar
2006-06-06 16:56   ` genirq Daniel Walker
2006-06-07  8:42     ` genirq Ingo Molnar
2006-06-07  3:46   ` genirq Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-06 14:53 ` 2.6.18 -mm merge plans Ingo Molnar
2006-06-06 16:02   ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-06 16:35     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-06 20:47     ` lock validator [2.6.18 -mm merge plans] Ingo Molnar
2006-06-07  3:52 ` mutex vs. local irqs (Was: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-07  4:29   ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-07  5:04     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-07  5:29       ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-07  6:44         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-07  7:03           ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-07 13:21           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-08  0:31             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-08 10:49               ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-08 10:53                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-08 11:01                   ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-08 11:17               ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-08 13:38                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-08 14:02                   ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-08 23:40                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-08 22:59             ` Paul Mackerras
2006-06-10 10:22 ` 2.6.18 -mm merge plans Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-14 15:18   ` Michael Halcrow

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