From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, paulus@samba.org
Subject: Re: mutex vs. local irqs (Was: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans)
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:01:06 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1149764466.13596.147.camel@pmac.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060608105342.GA2346@elte.hu>
On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 12:53 +0200, Ingo Molnar quoted Andrew:
> Nonsense. mutex_lock() can sleep. Sleeping will enable interrupts.
> Therefore, hence, ergo ipso facto mutex_lock() can enable interrupts. QED,
> that's it.
>
> But now, because some broken piece of hardware is coming out of
> reset/firmware asserting an interrupt we need to change the rules to be
> "mutex_lock() must preserve local interrupts if the lock is uncontended".
> Ditto down(), down_read() and down_write().
>
> And why does this bizarre restriction upon the implementation of our
> locking primtives exist? Because of your broken PIC and because of our
> inability to sort out the early boot code. And because the early boot code
> has this implicit knowledge that the locks will be uncontended, else we're
> toast.
>
> We're doing mutex_lock(), down(), down_read() and down_write() with local
> interrupts disabled, which is a bug. We have explicit code in there to
> *disable* our runtime debugging checks because we know about this bug but
> don't know how to fix it.
>
> I call that sucky.
OK, if you put it like that, and you're going to be consistent by
declaring the disabling of __might_sleep() warnings to be sucky too,
then I suppose we can buy that argument.
Yes, we need to sort out the early boot code. It isn't so much that
we're unable as that nobody's really tried very hard. People seem scared
of it -- they even invent pointless special cases like the
'earlyconsole' crap instead of just registering the damn consoles
earlier, for example. Register_console() has _always_ worked right from
the beginning of setup_arch(), and I've often put it there.
Let's make a concerted effort to reorder the startup code so that we
_can_ enable interrupts and have slab working quite early. Ben's plans
for this look sane enough to me.
--
dwmw2
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Thread overview: 166+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-06-04 20:50 2.6.18 -mm merge plans Andrew Morton
2006-06-04 21:20 ` 2.6.18 hdrinstall (Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Bernhard Rosenkraenzer
2006-06-04 21:33 ` header cleanup and install David Woodhouse
2006-06-04 21:43 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05 10:52 ` Jens Axboe
2006-06-05 10:54 ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-05 10:59 ` Jens Axboe
2006-06-05 10:57 ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-05 11:03 ` Jens Axboe
2006-06-05 18:09 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05 19:19 ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-17 20:35 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-06-17 21:20 ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-04 21:36 ` 2.6.18 -mm merge plans Alan Cox
2006-06-04 21:41 ` kbuild, kconfig and hrdinstall stuff Sam Ravnborg
2006-06-04 21:54 ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-04 23:04 ` klibc (was: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-05 18:09 ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-06 15:20 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-06 20:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-06-07 3:37 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-07 4:00 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-07 4:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-07 4:25 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-07 4:26 ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-07 6:22 ` klibc Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-07 6:38 ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-07 6:51 ` klibc (was: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Joshua Hudson
2006-06-07 21:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-09 8:03 ` klibc Nix
2006-06-09 18:45 ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
[not found] ` <bda6d13a0606091050n40fda044v668eef09af3c29a7@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <871wty6rl9.fsf@hades.wkstn.nix>
2006-06-09 22:28 ` klibc Joshua Hudson
2006-06-09 22:48 ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-09 23:13 ` klibc Joshua Hudson
2006-06-09 23:44 ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-16 6:02 ` klibc Joshua Hudson
2006-06-16 19:19 ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-07 8:44 ` klibc (was: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Pavel Machek
2006-06-07 9:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-06-04 23:50 ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-05 20:20 ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-05 20:53 ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-05 21:07 ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-06 19:42 ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-07 0:41 ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-08 8:05 ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-15 11:40 ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-16 3:21 ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-16 3:35 ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-16 15:33 ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-16 18:48 ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-17 19:45 ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-17 17:04 ` clocksource Andrew Morton
2006-06-05 0:02 ` utsname/hostname Randy.Dunlap
2006-06-05 1:06 ` utsname/hostname Andrew Morton
2006-06-05 3:10 ` utsname/hostname Randy.Dunlap
[not found] ` <20060605002807.GA4919@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2006-06-05 0:28 ` readahead benchmark Fengguang Wu
2006-06-05 1:02 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05 0:32 ` new SCSI drivers (was Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Jeff Garzik
[not found] ` <20060605010501.GA4931@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2006-06-05 1:05 ` statistics infrastructure Fengguang Wu
2006-06-05 16:30 ` Greg KH
2006-06-13 23:47 ` statistics infrastructure (in -mm tree) review Greg KH
2006-06-14 0:18 ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-06-14 16:45 ` Greg KH
2006-06-14 22:48 ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-19 22:12 ` Greg KH
2006-06-20 15:40 ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-20 16:50 ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-06-21 18:51 ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-21 19:38 ` Matthew Frost
2006-06-22 11:43 ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-14 5:04 ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-14 22:49 ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-16 20:40 ` Greg KH
2006-06-16 21:34 ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-17 6:51 ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-17 11:03 ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-17 10:30 ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-05 1:06 ` wireless (was Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Jeff Garzik
2006-06-05 1:15 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05 8:33 ` Andreas Mohr
2006-06-05 8:45 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-05 10:26 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-05 10:35 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-05 10:59 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-10 6:58 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-05 8:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-05 12:33 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-05 12:48 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-05 12:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-05 14:02 ` Linux kernel and laws Adrian Bunk
2006-06-05 14:21 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-06-06 5:33 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-06-05 13:27 ` wireless (was Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) John W. Linville
2006-06-05 13:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-05 13:42 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-05 16:24 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-29 14:26 ` ACX100 (softmac-based) driver ready to merge, but is it legal? -- " John W. Linville
[not found] ` <20060629144233.GB24463@tuxdriver.com>
2006-06-29 14:47 ` [Acx100-users] Denis Vlasenko, where are you? (mail bounced) Andreas Mohr
2006-06-05 1:32 ` merging new drivers (was Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Jeff Garzik
2006-06-05 1:47 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05 8:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-05 9:10 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05 9:16 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-05 11:10 ` Ivan Novick
2006-06-05 11:26 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-05 6:58 ` Francois Romieu
2006-06-05 10:32 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-05 10:36 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-06 2:02 ` Chris Wright
2006-06-06 7:01 ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-06 13:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2006-06-05 13:38 ` 2.6.18 -mm merge plans -- GFS David Woodhouse
2006-06-05 14:10 ` Russell King
2006-06-05 15:01 ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-07 7:12 ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-05 14:08 ` 2.6.18 -mm merge plans Oleg Nesterov
2006-06-05 14:43 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-08 19:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-09 13:02 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-09 23:25 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-10 0:39 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-10 1:23 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-10 7:52 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-10 8:09 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-10 9:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-06 0:54 ` Merge of per task delay accounting (was Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Balbir Singh
2006-06-06 22:28 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-06 22:40 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-08 14:27 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-08 17:42 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-08 18:36 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-08 19:33 ` Balbir Singh
2006-06-06 22:52 ` Jay Lan
2006-06-06 22:55 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-12 12:02 ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-12 13:28 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-06 12:32 ` 2.6.18 -mm pi-futex merge Steven Rostedt
2006-06-06 13:34 ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-06 13:44 ` Steven Rostedt
2006-06-06 14:42 ` genirq Ingo Molnar
2006-06-06 16:56 ` genirq Daniel Walker
2006-06-07 8:42 ` genirq Ingo Molnar
2006-06-07 3:46 ` genirq Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-06 14:53 ` 2.6.18 -mm merge plans Ingo Molnar
2006-06-06 16:02 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-06 16:35 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-06 20:47 ` lock validator [2.6.18 -mm merge plans] Ingo Molnar
2006-06-07 3:52 ` mutex vs. local irqs (Was: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-07 4:29 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-07 5:04 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-07 5:29 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-07 6:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-07 7:03 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-07 13:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-08 0:31 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-08 10:49 ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-08 10:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-08 11:01 ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2006-06-08 11:17 ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-08 13:38 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-08 14:02 ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-08 23:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-08 22:59 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-06-10 10:22 ` 2.6.18 -mm merge plans Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-14 15:18 ` Michael Halcrow
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