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From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, a.zummo@towertech.it,
	jg@freedesktop.org
Subject: Re: A better interface, perhaps: a timed signal flag
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:44:49 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1154105089.19722.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1154104885.13509.142.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 17:41 +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> Ar Gwe, 2006-07-28 am 10:52 -0400, ysgrifennodd Theodore Tso:
> > Good point, and limiting this facility to one such timeout per
> > task_struct seems like a reasonable restriction. 
> 
> Why is this any better than using a thread or signal handler ? From the
> implementation side its certainly horrible - we will be trying to write
> user pages from an IRQ event. Far better to let the existing thread code
> deal with it.
> 

If the user page is special, in that it is really a kernel page mapped
to userspace.  The implementation on making sure it doesn't disappear on
the interrupt isn't that difficult.

But for real-time applications, the signal handling has a huge latency.
Where as what Theodore wants to do is very light weight.  ie. have a
high prio task doing smaller tasks until a specific time that tells it
to stop.  Having a signal, would create the latency on having that task
stop.

These little requests make sense really only in the real-time space.
The normal uses can get by with signals.  But I will say, the normal
uses for computing these days are starting to want the real-time
powers. :)

-- Steve



  reply	other threads:[~2006-07-28 16:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-25 17:41 [PATCH] RTC: Add mmap method to rtc character driver Neil Horman
2006-07-25 17:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-25 18:01   ` Jim Gettys
2006-07-25 18:22   ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 18:32     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-25 18:43       ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 18:53         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-25 19:03           ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 19:06             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-25 19:07           ` John W. Linville
2006-07-25 19:16             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-25 19:08           ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-25 17:57 ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-07-25 18:28   ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 18:56     ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-07-25 19:07       ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 19:10     ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-25 19:21       ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 19:31         ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-07-25 19:47           ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 20:04             ` Dave Airlie
2006-07-25 20:24               ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-25 20:47                 ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 20:50                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-25 22:25                     ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 22:33                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-25 23:10                         ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 23:22                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-26  0:03                             ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 23:29                           ` David Lang
2006-07-26  0:18                             ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 23:29                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-07-25 23:56                         ` Neil Horman
2006-07-26  0:02                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-26  0:20                             ` Neil Horman
2006-07-26  0:36                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-26 14:45                               ` A better interface, perhaps: a timed signal flag Theodore Tso
2006-07-28 13:33                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2006-07-28 14:52                                   ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-28 15:05                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2006-07-28 16:41                                     ` Alan Cox
2006-07-28 16:44                                       ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2006-07-28 20:01                                         ` Alan Cox
2006-07-28 20:12                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2006-07-28 20:36                                             ` Alan Cox
2006-07-28 20:31                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2006-07-28 17:11                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-25 20:58                   ` [PATCH] RTC: Add mmap method to rtc character driver Jim Gettys
2006-07-25 21:04                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-25 21:14                       ` Jim Gettys
2006-07-25 21:18                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-25 21:39                           ` Jim Gettys
2006-07-29  4:28                             ` Bill Huey
2006-07-29 12:54                               ` Neil Horman
2006-07-29 20:41                                 ` Bill Huey
2006-07-29 21:43                                   ` Neil Horman
2006-07-29 22:45                                     ` Keith Packard
2006-07-29 23:18                                       ` Edgar Toernig
2006-07-29 21:49                                   ` Edgar Toernig
2006-07-29 22:51                                     ` itimer again (Re: [PATCH] RTC: Add mmap method to rtc character driver) Bill Huey
2006-07-29 23:35                                       ` Nicholas Miell
2006-07-30  1:00                                         ` Bill Huey
2006-07-30  1:22                                           ` Nicholas Miell
2006-07-30  1:39                                             ` Bill Huey
2006-07-30  2:02                                               ` Nicholas Miell
2006-07-30 14:33                                               ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-30 22:20                                                 ` Bill Huey
2006-07-31 15:40                                                   ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-30  0:16                                       ` Edgar Toernig
2006-07-30  0:24                                         ` Bill Huey
2006-07-29 14:02                             ` [PATCH] RTC: Add mmap method to rtc character driver Thomas Gleixner
2006-07-26 13:17                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-08-02  3:54               ` john stultz
2006-08-02  4:26                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-08-02  4:34                   ` john stultz
2006-07-25 23:26             ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-07-26  0:10               ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 20:03       ` Paul Mackerras
2006-07-25 23:27         ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-07-26  0:06           ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 18:00 ` Jim Gettys
2006-07-25 18:17   ` Neil Horman
2006-07-26 15:16 ` Andi Kleen
2006-07-26 17:25   ` Jim Gettys
2006-07-27 23:53   ` Paul Mackerras
2006-07-28  3:29     ` Jim Gettys
2006-07-28 11:59       ` Neil Horman
2006-07-26 15:15 A better interface, perhaps: a timed signal flag Brown, Len
2006-07-29  6:56 linux
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     [not found] ` <fa.7gpoVg9wmtQ0g4u4T8FaCZGXup0@ifi.uio.no>
2006-07-29 18:29   ` Robert Hancock

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