From: "Kristian Høgsberg" <krh@redhat.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@in.ibm.com>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/6] Convert all tasklets to workqueues
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:07:01 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1182802021.1689.50.camel@hinata.boston.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1182798678.5493.179.camel@localhost.localdomain>
On Mon, 2007-06-25 at 15:11 -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-06-25 at 14:48 -0400, Kristian Høgsberg wrote:
> ...
> > However, I don't really understand how you can discuss a wholesale
> > replacing of tasklets with workqueues, given the very different
> > execution sematics of the two mechanisms. I would think that others
> > have used tasklets for similar purposes as I have and moving that to
> > workqueues just has to break a bunch of stuff. I don't know the various
> > places tasklets are used as well as other people in this thread, but I
> > think deprecating them and moving code to either softirqs or workqueues
> > on a case by case basis is a better approach. That way we also avoid
> > the gross wrappers.
>
> The gross wrappers were a perfect way to shed light on something that is
> overused, and should most likely be replaced.
>
> Does your system need to have these functions that are in tasklets need
> to be non-reentrant? I wonder how many "irq critical" functions used
> tasklets just because adding a softirq requires too much (no generic
> softirq code). A tasklet is constrained to run on one CPU at a time,
> and it is not guaranteed to run on the CPU it was scheduled on.
When I started the firewire work, I wasn't aware that tasklets were
going away, but I knew that doing too much work in the interrupt handler
was frowned upon, for good reasons. So I was looking at softirqs vs
taslkets, and since using softirqs means you have to go add yourself to
the big bitmask, I opted for tasklets. The comment in interrupt.h
directly recommends this. As it stands, the firewire stack does
actaully rely on the non-reentrancy of tasklets, but that's not a
deal-breaker, I can add the necessary locking.
> Perhaps it's time to add a new functionality while removing tasklets.
> Things that are ok to bounce around CPUs (like tasklets do) can most
> likely be replaced by a work queue. But these highly critical tasks
> probably would benefit from being a softirq.
>
> Maybe we should be looking at something like GENERIC_SOFTIRQ to run
> functions that a driver could add. But they would run only on the CPU
> that scheduled them, and do not guarantee non-reentrant as tasklets do
> today.
Sounds like this will fill the gap. Of course, this won't reduce the
number of delayed-execution mechanisms available...
Kristian
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-06-25 20:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-06-22 4:00 Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 1/6] Convert the RCU tasklet into a softirq Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 7:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 7:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 12:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 12:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 2/6] Split out tasklets from softirq.c Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 7:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 12:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 13:45 ` Akinobu Mita
2007-06-22 13:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 3/6] Add a tasklet is-scheduled API Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 4/6] Make DRM use the tasklet is-sched API Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 6:36 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 6:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-06-22 7:08 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 12:15 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 15:36 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 22:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 23:28 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 16:10 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-22 16:56 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 18:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 23:38 ` Dave Airlie
2007-06-22 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 5/6] Move tasklet.h to tasklet_softirq.h Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 6/6] Convert tasklets to work queues Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 7:06 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 13:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 15:52 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-22 16:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-23 11:15 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-22 7:09 ` [RFC PATCH 0/6] Convert all tasklets to workqueues Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 7:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 7:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 11:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 12:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 12:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 12:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 13:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 14:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 13:13 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-22 13:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 13:41 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-22 14:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 13:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 14:25 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-22 14:42 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 14:43 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-22 17:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-22 17:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 18:32 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 20:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 21:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 21:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 21:13 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-06-22 21:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-22 21:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 22:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 22:43 ` Roland Dreier
2007-06-22 22:57 ` Alan Cox
2007-06-22 22:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-23 6:23 ` Dave Airlie
2007-06-24 15:16 ` Jonathan Corbet
2007-06-24 15:52 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 16:50 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-06-25 17:06 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 20:50 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-06-25 21:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 19:52 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-06-26 0:00 ` Jonathan Corbet
2007-06-26 0:52 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 18:48 ` Kristian Høgsberg
2007-06-25 19:11 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 20:07 ` Kristian Høgsberg [this message]
2007-06-25 20:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 21:08 ` Kristian Høgsberg
2007-06-25 21:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-25 23:36 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-26 0:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-26 1:46 ` Dan Williams
2007-06-26 2:01 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-26 2:12 ` Dan Williams
2007-06-28 12:37 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28 16:37 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-28 18:02 ` Dan Williams
2007-06-28 20:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28 21:23 ` Dan Williams
2007-06-28 21:40 ` Dan Williams
2007-06-28 22:01 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28 22:00 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28 5:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-28 9:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-28 14:38 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-28 15:23 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-28 15:54 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28 16:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-28 17:26 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-28 17:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-28 18:19 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-28 20:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-29 11:34 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 11:48 ` Duncan Sands
2007-06-29 13:36 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 14:01 ` Duncan Sands
2007-06-29 16:34 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 12:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-29 13:25 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 13:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-29 15:23 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 13:41 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-29 14:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-29 14:26 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-29 19:04 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 14:27 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 15:51 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-29 16:21 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 16:52 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-29 17:09 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-30 11:25 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-28 15:17 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-22 21:53 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 22:09 ` david
2007-06-22 22:15 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 22:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 23:28 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 22:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-23 5:14 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-06-26 13:03 Clemens Ladisch
2007-06-26 13:15 ` Takashi Iwai
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