From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@in.ibm.com>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
matthew.wilcox@hp.com, kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/6] Convert all tasklets to workqueues
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:23:40 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070628092340.GB23566@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46834BB8.1020007@garzik.org>
* Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org> wrote:
> Tasklets fill a niche not filled by either workqueues (slower,
> requiring context switches, and possibly much latency is all wq's
> processes are active) [...]
... workqueues are also possibly much more scalable (percpu workqueues
are easy without changing anything in your code but the call where you
create the workqueue).
the context-switch argument i'll believe if i see numbers. You'll
probably need in excess of tens of thousands of irqs/sec to even be able
to measure its overhead. (workqueues are driven by nice kernel threads
so there's no TLB overhead, etc.)
the only remaining argument is latency: but workqueues are already
pretty high-prio (with a default priority of nice -5) - and you can
increase it even further. You can make it SCHED_FIFO prio 98 if latency
is so important. Tasklets on the other hand are _unconditionally_
high-priority. So this argument is more of an arms-race argument: "i
want _my_ processing to be done immediately!". The fact that workqueues
can be preempted and that their priorities can be adjusted flexibly is
an optional _bonus_, not a disadvantage. If low-prio workqueues hurts
your workflow, make them high-prio.
> And moving code -back- into hardirq is just the wrong thing to do,
> usually.
agreed - except if the in-tasklet processing is really thin and there's
already a softirq layer in the workflow. (which the case was for the
example that was cited.) In such a case moving either to the hardirq or
to the softirq looks like the right thing - instead of the tasklet
intermediary.
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-06-28 9:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-06-22 4:00 Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 1/6] Convert the RCU tasklet into a softirq Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 7:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 7:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 12:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 12:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 2/6] Split out tasklets from softirq.c Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 7:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 12:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 13:45 ` Akinobu Mita
2007-06-22 13:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 3/6] Add a tasklet is-scheduled API Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 4/6] Make DRM use the tasklet is-sched API Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 6:36 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 6:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-06-22 7:08 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 12:15 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 15:36 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 22:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 23:28 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 16:10 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-22 16:56 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 18:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 23:38 ` Dave Airlie
2007-06-22 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 5/6] Move tasklet.h to tasklet_softirq.h Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 6/6] Convert tasklets to work queues Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 7:06 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 13:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 15:52 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-22 16:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-23 11:15 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-22 7:09 ` [RFC PATCH 0/6] Convert all tasklets to workqueues Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 7:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 7:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 11:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 12:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 12:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 12:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 13:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 14:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 13:13 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-22 13:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 13:41 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-22 14:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 13:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 14:25 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-22 14:42 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 14:43 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-22 17:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-22 17:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 18:32 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 20:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 21:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 21:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 21:13 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-06-22 21:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-22 21:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 22:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 22:43 ` Roland Dreier
2007-06-22 22:57 ` Alan Cox
2007-06-22 22:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-23 6:23 ` Dave Airlie
2007-06-24 15:16 ` Jonathan Corbet
2007-06-24 15:52 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 16:50 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-06-25 17:06 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 20:50 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-06-25 21:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 19:52 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-06-26 0:00 ` Jonathan Corbet
2007-06-26 0:52 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 18:48 ` Kristian Høgsberg
2007-06-25 19:11 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 20:07 ` Kristian Høgsberg
2007-06-25 20:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 21:08 ` Kristian Høgsberg
2007-06-25 21:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-25 23:36 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-26 0:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-26 1:46 ` Dan Williams
2007-06-26 2:01 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-26 2:12 ` Dan Williams
2007-06-28 12:37 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28 16:37 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-28 18:02 ` Dan Williams
2007-06-28 20:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28 21:23 ` Dan Williams
2007-06-28 21:40 ` Dan Williams
2007-06-28 22:01 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28 22:00 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28 5:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-28 9:23 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2007-06-28 14:38 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-28 15:23 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-28 15:54 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28 16:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-28 17:26 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-28 17:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-28 18:19 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-28 20:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-29 11:34 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 11:48 ` Duncan Sands
2007-06-29 13:36 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 14:01 ` Duncan Sands
2007-06-29 16:34 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 12:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-29 13:25 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 13:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-29 15:23 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 13:41 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-29 14:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-29 14:26 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-29 19:04 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 14:27 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 15:51 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-29 16:21 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 16:52 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-29 17:09 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-30 11:25 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-28 15:17 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-22 21:53 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 22:09 ` david
2007-06-22 22:15 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 22:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 23:28 ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 22:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-23 5:14 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-06-26 13:03 Clemens Ladisch
2007-06-26 13:15 ` Takashi Iwai
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