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From: Ed Vance <EdV@macrolink.com>
To: "'Davide Libenzi'" <davidel@xmailserver.org>
Cc: Russell King <rmk@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [PATCH] [2.5] Non-blocking write can block
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:04:46 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <11E89240C407D311958800A0C9ACF7D1A33EBD@EXCHANGE> (raw)

On Wed, June 04, 2003 at 4:47 PM, Davide Libenzi wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Russell King wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 08:46:51PM +0100, P. Benie wrote:
> > > The problem isn't to do with large writes. It's to do 
> with any sequence of
> > > writes that fills up the receive buffer, which is only 4K 
> for N_TTY. If
> > > the receiving program is suspended, the buffer will fill 
> sooner or later.
> >
> > If the tty drivers buffer fills, we don't sleep in 
> tty->driver->write,
> > but we return zero instead.  If we are in non-blocking mode, and we
> > haven't written any characters, we return -EAGAIN.  If we have, we
> > return the number of characters which the tty driver accepted.
> >
> > However, the problem you are referring to is what happens 
> if you have
> > a blocking process blocked in write_chan() in n_tty.c, and we have
> > a non-blocking process trying to write to the same tty.
> >
> > Reading POSIX, it doesn't seem to be clear about our area 
> of interest,
> > and I'd even say that it seems to be unspecified.
> 
> Given that a problem exist for certain apps, and given that 
> the proposed
> fix will *at least* have existing apps to behave funny, couldn't this
> implemented as a feature of the fd (default off).
> Something like O_REALLYNONBLOCK :)
> 

Davide,

Do you mean something like the separate O_NDELAY flag under Solar*s? IIRC
they also use return code EWOULDBLOCK to differentiate the "could not get
resource" cases from the "no room for more data" cases when O_NONBLOCK is
used.

Cheers,
Ed

             reply	other threads:[~2003-06-04 23:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-06-05  0:04 Ed Vance [this message]
2003-06-05  0:19 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-06-05 18:34   ` Mike Fedyk
2003-06-05 19:15     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-06-05 21:46       ` Joe Korty
2003-06-06  0:13     ` Davide Libenzi
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-06-06 12:13 Nicholas Berry
2003-06-04 19:36 Hua Zhong
2003-06-04 20:09 ` Hua Zhong
     [not found] <20030604172026$296c@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <20030604175013$3a4d@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-06-04 19:13   ` Ben Pfaff
2003-06-04  0:58 P. Benie
2003-06-04  5:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-06-04 14:35   ` Linus Torvalds
2003-06-04 14:58     ` P. Benie
2003-06-04 16:47     ` Alan Cox
2003-06-04 17:57       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-06-04 19:46         ` P. Benie
2003-06-04 19:56           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-06-04 20:48             ` P. Benie
2003-06-11  0:19               ` Robert White
2003-06-04 20:43           ` Hua Zhong
2003-06-04 23:42           ` Russell King
2003-06-04 23:47             ` Davide Libenzi
2003-06-04 21:29         ` Alan Cox
2003-06-04 17:14     ` Hua Zhong
2003-06-04 17:41       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-06-04 18:44         ` Hua Zhong
2003-06-04 18:47           ` P. Benie
2003-06-04 19:23             ` P. Benie
2003-06-04 19:20           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-06-04 17:53       ` Mike Dresser

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