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From: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
To: Russell King <rmk@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: "P. Benie" <pjb1008@eng.cam.ac.uk>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [2.5] Non-blocking write can block
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:47:27 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.55.0306041645060.3655@bigblue.dev.mcafeelabs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030605004246.H22460@flint.arm.linux.org.uk>

On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Russell King wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 08:46:51PM +0100, P. Benie wrote:
> > The problem isn't to do with large writes. It's to do with any sequence of
> > writes that fills up the receive buffer, which is only 4K for N_TTY. If
> > the receiving program is suspended, the buffer will fill sooner or later.
>
> If the tty drivers buffer fills, we don't sleep in tty->driver->write,
> but we return zero instead.  If we are in non-blocking mode, and we
> haven't written any characters, we return -EAGAIN.  If we have, we
> return the number of characters which the tty driver accepted.
>
> However, the problem you are referring to is what happens if you have
> a blocking process blocked in write_chan() in n_tty.c, and we have
> a non-blocking process trying to write to the same tty.
>
> Reading POSIX, it doesn't seem to be clear about our area of interest,
> and I'd even say that it seems to be unspecified.

Given that a problem exist for certain apps, and given that the proposed
fix will *at least* have existing apps to behave funny, couldn't this
implemented as a feature of the fd (default off).
Something like O_REALLYNONBLOCK :)



- Davide


  reply	other threads:[~2003-06-04 23:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-06-04  0:58 P. Benie
2003-06-04  5:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-06-04 14:35   ` Linus Torvalds
2003-06-04 14:58     ` P. Benie
2003-06-04 16:47     ` Alan Cox
2003-06-04 17:57       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-06-04 19:46         ` P. Benie
2003-06-04 19:56           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-06-04 20:48             ` P. Benie
2003-06-11  0:19               ` Robert White
2003-06-04 20:43           ` Hua Zhong
2003-06-04 23:42           ` Russell King
2003-06-04 23:47             ` Davide Libenzi [this message]
2003-06-04 21:29         ` Alan Cox
2003-06-04 17:14     ` Hua Zhong
2003-06-04 17:41       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-06-04 18:44         ` Hua Zhong
2003-06-04 18:47           ` P. Benie
2003-06-04 19:23             ` P. Benie
2003-06-04 19:20           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-06-04 17:53       ` Mike Dresser
2003-06-04 15:21   ` Coding standards. (Was: Re: [PATCH] [2.5] Non-blocking write can block) Timothy Miller
2003-06-07  0:12     ` Greg KH
2003-06-07  0:59       ` Alex Goddard
2003-06-09 16:24       ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-09 16:39         ` Jörn Engel
2003-06-09 17:15           ` Davide Libenzi
2003-06-09 17:33             ` Eli Carter
2003-06-09 17:49               ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-06-09 18:07                 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-06-09 18:22                   ` Jörn Engel
2003-06-09 18:55             ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-09 18:58               ` Davide Libenzi
2003-06-09 21:35                 ` David Schwartz
2003-06-09 22:55                   ` Davide Libenzi
2003-06-09 23:21                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-06-09 21:54                 ` Jörn Engel
2003-06-10 18:17                 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-10 18:41                   ` Davide Libenzi
2003-06-10 18:14               ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-09 23:50             ` James Stevenson
2003-06-09 18:44           ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-09 22:00             ` Jörn Engel
     [not found] <20030604172026$296c@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <20030604175013$3a4d@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-06-04 19:13   ` [PATCH] [2.5] Non-blocking write can block Ben Pfaff
2003-06-04 19:36 Hua Zhong
2003-06-04 20:09 ` Hua Zhong
2003-06-05  0:04 Ed Vance
2003-06-05  0:19 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-06-05 18:34   ` Mike Fedyk
2003-06-05 19:15     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-06-05 21:46       ` Joe Korty
2003-06-06  0:13     ` Davide Libenzi
2003-06-06 12:13 Nicholas Berry

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