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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Mike Travis <travis@sgi.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	davej@codemonkey.org.uk, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Jack Steiner <steiner@sgi.com>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>, Jes Sorensen <jes@sgi.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 07/13] sched: Reduce stack size requirements in kernel/sched.c
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:05:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1220886335.12278.31.camel@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48C53C91.70604@sgi.com>

On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 07:54 -0700, Mike Travis wrote:
> Peter Zijlstra wrote:

> > get_online_cpus() can sleep, but you just disabled preemption with those
> > get_cpumask_var() horribles!
> > 
> > Couldn't be arsed to look through the rest, but I really hate this
> > cpumask_ptr() stuff that relies on disabling preemption.
> > 
> > NAK
> 
> Yeah, I really agree as well.  But I wanted to start playing with using
> cpumask_t pointers in some fairly straight forward manner.  Linus's and
> Ingo's suggestion to just bite the bullet and redefine the cpumask_t 
> would force a lot of changes to be made, but perhaps that's really the
> way to go.

I much prefer that approach!

> As to obtaining temp cpumask_t's (both early and late), perhaps a pool of
> them would be better?  I believe it could be done similar to alloc_bootmem
> (but much simpler), and I don't think there's enough nesting to require a
> very large pool.  (4 was the largest depth I could find in io_apic.c.)  Of
> course, with preemption enabled then other problems arise...
> 
> One other really big use was for the "allbutself" cpumask in the send_IPI
> functions.  I think here, preemption is ok because the ownership of the
> cpumask temp is very short lived.

The thing is, you add serialization requirements (be it preempt_disable,
or a lock for some preemptable form) to code that didn't had any for a
case that hardly anyone will ever encounter in real life - I mean,
really, who has 4096 cpus?

Stuffing the cpumap_t in an already existing structure that has suitable
serialization requirements is of course the preferred situation, but
lacking that a dynamic cpumap_t is best, since it keeps the references
local, and thus doesn't add requirements to the existing code.

You could also consider adding 1 cpumap_t to task_struct and use that as
temporary scratch pad - but seeing you needed at least 4 that might not
be a feasible solution either.


  reply	other threads:[~2008-09-08 15:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-06 23:50 [RFC 00/13] smp: reduce stack requirements for genapic send_IPI_mask functions Mike Travis
2008-09-06 23:50 ` [RFC 01/13] smp: modify send_IPI_mask interface to accept cpumask_t pointers Mike Travis
2008-09-06 23:50 ` [RFC 02/13] cpumask: add for_each_online_cpu_mask_nr function Mike Travis
2008-09-06 23:50 ` [RFC 03/13] xen: use new " Mike Travis
2008-09-06 23:50 ` [RFC 04/13] cpumask: add cpumask_ptr operations Mike Travis
2008-09-06 23:50 ` [RFC 05/13] cpumask: add get_cpumask_var debug operations Mike Travis
2008-09-06 23:50 ` [RFC 06/13] genapic: use get_cpumask_var operations for allbutself cpumask_ts Mike Travis
2008-09-06 23:50 ` [RFC 07/13] sched: Reduce stack size requirements in kernel/sched.c Mike Travis
2008-09-07 10:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-07 11:00     ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-07 13:05       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-08 14:56         ` Mike Travis
2008-09-07 20:28       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-08 14:54     ` Mike Travis
2008-09-08 15:05       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2008-09-08 18:38         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-10 22:47           ` [RFC] CPUMASK: proposal for replacing cpumask_t Mike Travis
2008-09-10 22:53             ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-10 23:33               ` Mike Travis
2008-09-11  5:21                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-11  9:00             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-11 15:04               ` Mike Travis
2008-09-12  4:55             ` Rusty Russell
2008-09-12 14:28               ` Mike Travis
2008-09-12 22:02                 ` Rusty Russell
2008-09-12 22:50                   ` Mike Travis
2008-09-12 22:58                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-06 23:50 ` [RFC 08/13] cpufreq: Reduce stack size requirements in acpi-cpufreq.c Mike Travis
2008-09-06 23:50 ` [RFC 09/13] genapic: reduce stack pressuge in io_apic.c step 1 temp cpumask_ts Mike Travis
2008-09-08 11:01   ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-08 16:03     ` Mike Travis
2008-09-06 23:50 ` [RFC 10/13] genapic: reduce stack pressuge in io_apic.c step 2 internal abi Mike Travis
2008-09-06 23:50 ` [RFC 11/13] genapic: reduce stack pressuge in io_apic.c step 3 target_cpus Mike Travis
2008-09-07  7:55   ` Bert Wesarg
2008-09-07  9:13     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-08 15:01       ` Mike Travis
2008-09-08 15:29     ` Mike Travis
2008-09-06 23:50 ` [RFC 12/13] genapic: reduce stack pressuge in io_apic.c step 4 vector allocation Mike Travis
2008-09-06 23:50 ` [RFC 13/13] genapic: reduce stack pressuge in io_apic.c step 5 cpu_mask_to_apicid Mike Travis
2008-09-07  7:36 ` [RFC 00/13] smp: reduce stack requirements for genapic send_IPI_mask functions Ingo Molnar
2008-09-08 15:17   ` Mike Travis

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