From: Glauber Costa <glommer@redhat.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, aliguori@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/16] KVM-HDR: KVM Userspace registering ioctl
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:23:26 -0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1296055406.3591.1.camel@mothafucka.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D403A4F.6090707@redhat.com>
On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 17:14 +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 01/26/2011 02:14 PM, Glauber Costa wrote:
> > On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 13:12 +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> > > On 01/24/2011 08:06 PM, Glauber Costa wrote:
> > > > KVM, which stands for KVM Virtual Memory (I wanted to call it KVM Virtual Mojito),
> > > > is a piece of shared memory that is visible to both the hypervisor and the guest
> > > > kernel - but not the guest userspace.
> > > >
> > > > The basic idea is that the guest can tell the hypervisor about a specific
> > > > piece of memory, and what it expects to find in there. This is a generic
> > > > abstraction, that goes to userspace (qemu) if KVM (the hypervisor) can't
> > > > handle a specific request, thus giving us flexibility in some features
> > > > in the future.
> > > >
> > > > KVM (The hypervisor) can change the contents of this piece of memory at
> > > > will. This works well with paravirtual information, and hopefully
> > > > normal guest memory - like last update time for the watchdog, for
> > > > instance.
> > > >
> > > > This patch contains the header part of the userspace communication implementation.
> > > > Userspace can query the presence/absence of this feature in the normal way.
> > > > It also tells the hypervisor that it is capable of handling - in whatever
> > > > way it chooses, registrations that the hypervisor does not know how to.
> > > > In x86, only user so far, this mechanism is implemented as generic userspace
> > > > msr exit, that could theorectically be used to implement msr-handling in
> > > > userspace.
> > > >
> > > > I am keeping the headers separate to facilitate backports to people
> > > > who wants to backport the kernel part but not the hypervisor, or the other way around.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Again the protocol is not specified. How about starting from
> > > Documentation/kvm/api.txt so we don't have to guess?
> > I will do that in the next version, if the idea is not shoot up
> > completely.
>
> For some reason people write the code first and the documentation as an
> afterthought. If you switch the order, you can get a high level review
> first, followed by a low-level code review once the high level details
> are agreed. Of course it's hard to do major changes this way, since the
> API often evolves while writing the code.
Thing is, processor runs code, not english. So I guess people write code
first at least to know what works vs what not works before writing a
potentially beautiful-but-only-theoretical novel.
Rest assured, I don't plan to push for merges of any feature before
providing docs.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-01-26 15:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-01-24 18:06 [PATCH 00/16] New Proposal for steal time in KVM Glauber Costa
2011-01-24 18:06 ` [PATCH 01/16] KVM-HDR: register KVM basic header infrastructure Glauber Costa
2011-01-26 11:06 ` Avi Kivity
2011-01-26 12:13 ` Glauber Costa
2011-01-26 15:12 ` Avi Kivity
2011-01-26 15:36 ` Glauber Costa
2011-01-26 17:22 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-26 17:49 ` Glauber Costa
2011-01-27 12:31 ` Avi Kivity
2011-01-24 18:06 ` [PATCH 02/16] KVM-HV: KVM - KVM Virtual Memory hypervisor implementation Glauber Costa
2011-01-24 18:06 ` [PATCH 03/16] KVM-HDR: KVM Userspace registering ioctl Glauber Costa
2011-01-26 11:12 ` Avi Kivity
2011-01-26 12:14 ` Glauber Costa
2011-01-26 15:14 ` Avi Kivity
2011-01-26 15:23 ` Glauber Costa [this message]
2011-01-24 18:06 ` [PATCH 04/16] KVM-HV: " Glauber Costa
2011-01-24 18:06 ` [PATCH 05/16] KVM-HDR: Implement wallclock over KVM - KVM Virtual Memory Glauber Costa
2011-01-26 11:13 ` Avi Kivity
2011-01-26 12:20 ` Glauber Costa
2011-01-26 15:17 ` Avi Kivity
2011-01-26 15:45 ` Glauber Costa
2011-01-27 12:17 ` Avi Kivity
2011-01-24 18:06 ` [PATCH 06/16] " Glauber Costa
2011-01-24 18:06 ` [PATCH 07/16] KVM-GST: " Glauber Costa
2011-01-24 18:06 ` [PATCH 08/16] KVM-HDR: Implement kvmclock systemtime " Glauber Costa
2011-01-24 18:06 ` [PATCH 09/16] KVM-HV: " Glauber Costa
2011-01-24 18:06 ` [PATCH 10/16] KVM-GST: " Glauber Costa
2011-01-24 18:06 ` [PATCH 11/16] KVM-HDR: KVM Steal time implementation Glauber Costa
2011-01-24 23:06 ` Rik van Riel
2011-01-24 18:06 ` [PATCH 12/16] KVM-HV: " Glauber Costa
2011-01-24 23:15 ` Rik van Riel
2011-01-24 18:06 ` [PATCH 13/16] KVM-HV: KVM Steal time calculation Glauber Costa
2011-01-24 23:20 ` Rik van Riel
2011-01-24 18:06 ` [PATCH 14/16] KVM-GST: KVM Steal time registration Glauber Costa
2011-01-24 23:27 ` Rik van Riel
2011-01-24 23:31 ` Rik van Riel
2011-01-25 1:25 ` Glauber Costa
2011-01-25 1:26 ` Rik van Riel
2011-01-25 1:28 ` Glauber Costa
2011-01-24 18:06 ` [PATCH 15/16] KVM-GST: KVM Steal time accounting Glauber Costa
2011-01-24 23:33 ` Rik van Riel
2011-01-24 18:06 ` [PATCH 16/16] KVM-GST: adjust scheduler cpu power Glauber Costa
2011-01-24 18:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-01-24 18:51 ` Glauber Costa
2011-01-24 19:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-01-24 19:57 ` Glauber Costa
2011-01-25 20:02 ` Glauber Costa
2011-01-25 20:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-01-25 20:47 ` Glauber Costa
2011-01-25 21:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-01-25 21:27 ` Glauber Costa
2011-01-26 9:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-01-26 15:43 ` Glauber Costa
2011-01-26 16:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-01-26 16:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-01-26 18:11 ` Glauber Costa
2011-01-24 19:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
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