* TFD_CANCEL_ON_SET race when making a wall clock
@ 2011-09-02 14:37 Colin Walters
2011-09-02 15:00 ` Thomas Gleixner
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From: Colin Walters @ 2011-09-02 14:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Thomas Gleixner; +Cc: linux-kernel
Hi,
So I was recently making GNOME use the new timerfd TFD_CANCEL_ON_SET so
we get woken up when the system clock changes. It works generally well,
except Ryan Lortie pointed out a race condition in my use of
timerfd_settime() that I think anyone using it to make a wall clock
display might not realize at first:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=655129#c36
For the link-averse, basically the system clock can move backwards
between when the process gets the current time, and computes the wakeup
(typically for the next minute).
I was able to work around it in userspace with this patch:
http://bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=195252
But it's clearly not what I'd call beautiful.
I don't see a nice way to handle this in the kernel given the current
API, but maybe someone else does?
TFD_CANCEL_ON_SET isn't documented in man-pages at all right now...maybe
this is just a useful note for a future patch to
man-pages/man2/timerfd_create.2.
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* Re: TFD_CANCEL_ON_SET race when making a wall clock
2011-09-02 14:37 TFD_CANCEL_ON_SET race when making a wall clock Colin Walters
@ 2011-09-02 15:00 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-09-02 15:07 ` Colin Walters
0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread
From: Thomas Gleixner @ 2011-09-02 15:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Colin Walters; +Cc: linux-kernel
On Fri, 2 Sep 2011, Colin Walters wrote:
> Hi,
>
> So I was recently making GNOME use the new timerfd TFD_CANCEL_ON_SET so
> we get woken up when the system clock changes. It works generally well,
> except Ryan Lortie pointed out a race condition in my use of
> timerfd_settime() that I think anyone using it to make a wall clock
> display might not realize at first:
>
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=655129#c36
>
> For the link-averse, basically the system clock can move backwards
> between when the process gets the current time, and computes the wakeup
> (typically for the next minute).
>
> I was able to work around it in userspace with this patch:
> http://bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=195252
> But it's clearly not what I'd call beautiful.
>
> I don't see a nice way to handle this in the kernel given the current
> API, but maybe someone else does?
>
> TFD_CANCEL_ON_SET isn't documented in man-pages at all right now...maybe
> this is just a useful note for a future patch to
> man-pages/man2/timerfd_create.2.
Well, the kernel can only handle the time was set scenario from the
point when timerfd_create() is called.
There is no way to handle:
clock_gettime(a);
clock_settime();
timerfd_create();
timerfd_settime(a + x);
And there wont be one ever. The guarantee is that _after_
timerfd_create() any modification to CLOCK_REALTIME in either
direction is causing a cancelation of the timer.
Thanks,
tglx
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* Re: TFD_CANCEL_ON_SET race when making a wall clock
2011-09-02 15:00 ` Thomas Gleixner
@ 2011-09-02 15:07 ` Colin Walters
0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread
From: Colin Walters @ 2011-09-02 15:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Thomas Gleixner; +Cc: linux-kernel
Hi Thomas,
On Fri, 2011-09-02 at 17:00 +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> There is no way to handle:
>
> clock_gettime(a);
> clock_settime();
> timerfd_create();
> timerfd_settime(a + x);
>
> And there wont be one ever.
Well, you can see what I did in userspace - require the processes' idea
of the current time to be passed in, and check after calling
timerfd_settime() - did the clock go backwards? Ok, treat the timerfd
source as ready.
If we wanted to avoid userspace having to do this, we *could* make a new
system call which also took the "expected current time". But it's
probably not worth doing so given that the userspace workaround isn't
too difficult.
So, I think you confirmed what I'm saying, we should just document this
and move on. Thanks!
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