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From: Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>
To: "gregkh@linuxfoundation.org" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@linaro.org>,
	Yoder Stuart-B08248 <B08248@freescale.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Kim Phillips <kim.phillips@linaro.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"a.motakis@virtualopensystems.com"
	<a.motakis@virtualopensystems.com>,
	"agraf@suse.de" <agraf@suse.de>,
	Wood Scott-B07421 <B07421@freescale.com>,
	Sethi Varun-B16395 <B16395@freescale.com>,
	Bhushan Bharat-R65777 <R65777@freescale.com>,
	"peter.maydell@linaro.org" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"santosh.shukla@linaro.org" <santosh.shukla@linaro.org>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: RFC: (re-)binding the VFIO platform driver to a platform device
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:33:27 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1380825207.12932.151.camel@snotra.buserror.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131002234009.GA27714@kroah.com>

On Wed, 2013-10-02 at 16:40 -0700, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 04:35:15PM -0500, Scott Wood wrote:
> > On Wed, 2013-10-02 at 14:16 -0700, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org wrote:
> > > On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 04:08:41PM -0500, Scott Wood wrote:
> > > > I don't see any equivalent functionality to PCI_ANY_ID for platform
> > > > devices.
> > > 
> > > Nor should it.  If you are wanting to bind platform devices to different
> > > things based on "ids" or "strings" or something else, then you had
> > > better not be using a platform device because that is not what you have
> > > anymore.
> > 
> > I don't see how anything could be considered a platform device under
> > your definition.
> 
> Devices that you just "know" are at a specific memory location ahead of
> time.
>
> > Even before all the device tree stuff came along,
> > platform devices were still bound based on strings.
> 
> Not all of them, there are lots that are not, look at ISA devices on a
> PC platform for one example (your pc speaker, keyboard controller,
> etc.)

Using platform devices to let board files provide this information to
driver files was a big improvement over hacking up the drivers directly
to know about all sorts of different boards/SoCs.  Once you split that
knowledge into a different place you need a way of matching the two.

BTW, this is done with the pc speaker as far as I can tell --
arch/x86/kernel/pcspeaker.c registers a device using the string
"pcspkr" (as do some non-PC platforms).

> > And even if we did still have a separate OF platform bus, my point about
> > there not being a wildcard match applies to of_device_id as well.  It
> > certainly is not the case that "this is already there, and has been for
> > years with no problems".
> 
> That's an OF problem then, feel free to fix it there, but not in the
> driver core with a crazy "ignore this bus type string" hack :)

Even if we did this for OF and ACPI, you'd still have a problem if you
want to use VFIO with a platform device that only has plain old
platform data; thus, the platform bus (not driver core) seems to be the
appropriate place for a wildcard match if we end up needing it.  It may
be moot though, since for platform devices we may want explicit kernel
support for a device even with vfio, in order to reset/quiesce it
between users.

What it looks like we do still want from the driver core is the ability
for a driver to say that it should not be bound to a device except via
explicit sysfs bind, and the ability for a user to say that a device
should not be bound to a driver except via explicit sysfs bind.  This is
a separate issue from making driver_match_device() happy (in some
earlier e-mails in the thread these two issues were not properly
separated).

-Scott




  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-03 18:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-01 18:38 Kim Phillips
2013-10-01 19:15 ` Scott Wood
2013-10-01 19:17   ` Scott Wood
2013-10-01 22:01     ` Kim Phillips
2013-10-01 21:59   ` Kim Phillips
2013-10-01 22:44     ` Scott Wood
2013-10-01 20:00 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-10-01 22:02   ` Kim Phillips
2013-10-02  1:53     ` Christoffer Dall
2013-10-02  2:35       ` Alex Williamson
2013-10-02 15:14         ` Christoffer Dall
2013-10-02 15:29           ` Alex Williamson
2013-10-02 18:25           ` Yoder Stuart-B08248
2013-10-02 18:32             ` Scott Wood
2013-10-02 18:43               ` Christoffer Dall
2013-10-02 20:04                 ` Kim Phillips
2013-10-02 20:13                   ` Christoffer Dall
2013-10-02 20:19                     ` Scott Wood
2013-10-02 20:14                 ` Scott Wood
2013-10-02 20:27                   ` Christoffer Dall
2013-10-02 20:39                     ` gregkh
2013-10-02 20:44                       ` Christoffer Dall
2013-10-02 20:37                 ` gregkh
2013-10-02 20:42                   ` Christoffer Dall
2013-10-02 21:08                   ` Scott Wood
2013-10-02 21:16                     ` gregkh
2013-10-02 21:35                       ` Scott Wood
2013-10-02 23:40                         ` gregkh
2013-10-03 18:33                           ` Scott Wood [this message]
2013-10-03 18:54                             ` gregkh
2013-10-03 19:11                               ` Scott Wood
2013-10-03 20:32                                 ` gregkh
2013-10-09 19:02                                   ` Yoder Stuart-B08248
2013-10-09 19:16                                     ` gregkh
2013-10-09 19:49                                       ` Scott Wood
2013-10-09 19:21                                     ` Scott Wood
2013-10-09 19:44                                       ` Yoder Stuart-B08248
2013-10-09 20:03                                         ` Scott Wood
2013-10-10  3:05                                           ` Kim Phillips
2013-10-10  8:01                                             ` Bhushan Bharat-R65777
2013-10-10 15:27                                               ` Scott Wood
2013-10-11  6:27                                                 ` [PATCH 1/4] driver core: Add new device_driver flag to allow binding via sysfs only Kim Phillips
2013-10-11  6:27                                                   ` [PATCH 2/4] driver core: platform: allow platform drivers to bind to any device Kim Phillips
2013-10-11  6:27                                                   ` [PATCH 3/4] VFIO: pci: amend vfio-pci for explicit binding via sysfs only Kim Phillips
2013-10-11 20:43                                                     ` Scott Wood
2013-10-11 23:17                                                       ` Kim Phillips
2013-10-14 13:01                                                         ` Yoder Stuart-B08248
2013-10-14 17:13                                                           ` Scott Wood
2013-10-24 11:32                                                         ` Bhushan Bharat-R65777
2013-10-28 17:47                                                     ` Alex Williamson
2013-10-28 18:00                                                       ` Scott Wood
2013-10-28 18:09                                                         ` Scott Wood
2013-10-29  3:38                                                           ` Bhushan Bharat-R65777
2013-10-29  3:40                                                             ` Scott Wood
2013-10-29  3:52                                                               ` Bhushan Bharat-R65777
2013-10-29  4:29                                                                 ` Scott Wood
2013-10-29  4:31                                                                   ` Bhushan Bharat-R65777
2013-10-29  4:35                                                                     ` Scott Wood
2013-10-29  4:45                                                                       ` Bhushan Bharat-R65777
2013-10-29  4:54                                                                         ` Scott Wood
2013-10-29  6:39                                                                           ` Bhushan Bharat-R65777
2013-10-11  6:27                                                   ` [PATCH] VFIO: platform: allow the driver to bind to any device explicitly via sysfs Kim Phillips
2013-10-10  7:45                                           ` RFC: (re-)binding the VFIO platform driver to a platform device Bhushan Bharat-R65777
2013-10-10 13:43                                             ` Yoder Stuart-B08248
2013-10-10 15:23                                             ` Scott Wood
2013-10-10 15:25                                               ` Bhushan Bharat-R65777

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