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From: Simo Sorce <ssorce@redhat.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	jkaluza@redhat.com, lpoetter@redhat.com, kay@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] net: Implement SO_PEERCGROUP
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:17:56 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1394673476.32465.215.camel@willson.li.ssimo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrU29CpcK4dVRD45BGOD7AVEudADiFxOgFgKWkpFzw07eg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 2014-03-12 at 14:19 -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Simo Sorce <ssorce@redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2014-03-12 at 14:12 -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
> >> > On 03/12/2014 01:46 PM, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> >> >> Implement SO_PEERCGROUP along the lines of SO_PEERCRED. This returns the
> >> >> cgroup of first mounted hierarchy of the task. For the case of client,
> >> >> it represents the cgroup of client at the time of opening the connection.
> >> >> After that client cgroup might change.
> >> >
> >> > Even if people decide that sending cgroups over a unix socket is a good
> >> > idea, this API has my NAK in the strongest possible sense, for whatever
> >> > my NAK is worth.
> >> >
> >> > IMO SO_PEERCRED is a disaster.  Calling send(2) or write(2) should
> >> > *never* imply the use of a credential.  A program should always have to
> >> > *explicitly* request use of a credential.  What you want is SCM_CGROUP.
> >> >
> >> > (I've found privilege escalations before based on this observation, and
> >> > I suspect I'll find them again.)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Note that I think that you really want SCM_SOMETHING_ELSE and not
> >> > SCM_CGROUP, but I don't know what the use case is yet.
> >>
> >> This might not be quite as awful as I thought.  At least you're
> >> looking up the cgroup at connection time instead of at send time.
> >>
> >> OTOH, this is still racy -- the socket could easily outlive the cgroup
> >> that created it.
> >
> > I think you do not understand how this whole problem space works.
> >
> > The problem is exactly the same as with SO_PEERCRED, so we are taking
> > the same proven solution.
> 
> You mean the same proven crappy solution?
> 
> >
> > Connection time is all we do and can care about.
> 
> You have not answered why.

We are going to disclose information to the peer based on policy that
depends on the cgroup the peer is part of. All we care for is who opened
the connection, if the peer wants to pass on that information after it
has obtained it there is nothing we can do, so connection time is all we
really care about.

Simo.


  reply	other threads:[~2014-03-13  1:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-03-12 20:46 [PATCH 0/2][V2] net: Implement SO_PEERCGROUP to get cgroup of peer Vivek Goyal
2014-03-12 20:46 ` [PATCH 1/2] cgroup: Provide empty definition of task_cgroup_path() Vivek Goyal
2014-03-12 20:46 ` [PATCH 2/2] net: Implement SO_PEERCGROUP Vivek Goyal
2014-03-12 20:58   ` Cong Wang
2014-03-13 13:48     ` Vivek Goyal
2014-03-12 21:00   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-03-12 21:12     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-03-12 21:16       ` Simo Sorce
2014-03-12 21:19         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-03-13  1:17           ` Simo Sorce [this message]
2014-03-13  1:21             ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-03-13  1:43               ` Simo Sorce
2014-03-13  2:12                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-03-13 14:27                   ` Vivek Goyal
2014-03-14 23:54                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-03-13 17:51                   ` Simo Sorce
2014-03-13 17:55                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-03-13 17:57                       ` Simo Sorce
2014-03-13 18:03                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-03-13 17:58                       ` Simo Sorce
2014-03-13 18:01                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-03-13 18:05                         ` Tim Hockin
2014-03-13 19:53                       ` Vivek Goyal
2014-03-13 19:58                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-03-13 20:06                           ` Vivek Goyal
2014-03-13 20:17                             ` Vivek Goyal
2014-03-13 20:19                               ` Vivek Goyal
2014-03-13 21:21                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-03-14 23:49                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-03-13 18:02                     ` Vivek Goyal
2014-03-13 14:14       ` Vivek Goyal
2014-03-13 14:55         ` Simo Sorce
2014-03-13 15:00           ` Vivek Goyal
2014-03-13 16:33             ` Simo Sorce
2014-03-13 17:25               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-03-13 17:55                 ` Simo Sorce
2014-03-13 17:56                 ` Tim Hockin
2014-03-12 20:56 ` [PATCH 0/2][V2] net: Implement SO_PEERCGROUP to get cgroup of peer Andy Lutomirski
2014-03-12 20:59   ` Simo Sorce
2014-03-12 21:09     ` Andy Lutomirski
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-03-12 18:45 [PATCH 0/2] " Vivek Goyal
2014-03-12 18:45 ` [PATCH 2/2] net: Implement SO_PEERCGROUP Vivek Goyal

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