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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: jack@suse.cz, will.deacon@arm.com, rostedt@goodmis.org, pmladek@suse.cz
Subject: Re: [PATCH] printk: Don't discard earlier unprinted messages to make space
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:28:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1445509727.4113.52.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151022101650.25995.95155.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk>

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On Thu, 2015-10-22 at 11:16 +0100, David Howells wrote:
> printk() currently discards earlier messages to make space for new messages
> arriving.  This has the distinct downside that if the kernel starts
> churning out messages because of some initial incident, the report of the
> initial incident is likely to be lost under a blizzard of:
> 
>         ** NNN printk messages dropped **
> 
> messages from console_unlock().
> 
> The first message generated (typically an oops) is usually the most
> important - the one you want to solve first - so we really want to see
> that.

But wait... didn't I watch you muttering on IRC about the actual bug
you were trying to catch here... and didn't you have a *serial* console
hooked up?

What broke such that serial console stopped giving you *every* message?

Serial console was always *synchronous*.

We could do stuff like...

   printk("Going to do foo...\n");
   outb(foo, baz);
   printk("Did foo and the machine didn't catch fire! Now bar\n");
   outb(bar, baz);
   printk("Done\n");

And with a serial console I could know *precisely* the point at which
the machine locked up.

And I could enable the silly debugging levels on things like JFFS2 and
be sure that with a serial console I could catch *every* printk
reliably — which led to a number of cases where people would reproduce
a bug with a serial console and debugging, mail me a huge log file, and
get a patch back in reply.

We *need* to have a mode where serial console is actually *reliable*,
and we can know that the message has been sent out the port before the
printk() call returns.

What happened to it? And how do we fix it?

-- 
dwmw2


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  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-22 10:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-22 10:16 David Howells
2015-10-22 10:28 ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2015-10-22 12:18   ` Jan Kara
2015-10-22 12:36     ` David Woodhouse
2015-10-22 12:30 ` Petr Mladek
2015-10-22 13:19 ` David Howells
2015-10-22 13:23   ` David Woodhouse
2015-10-23  8:49   ` Petr Mladek

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