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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Kevin Hilman <khilman@linaro.org>, Allen Yu <alleny@nvidia.com>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"linux-pm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] PM / Runtime: let rpm_resume fail if rpm disabled and device suspended.
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 15:24:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <14478118.lYVMpnPKI2@vostro.rjw.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1406201043420.1160-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

On Friday, June 20, 2014 10:48:09 AM Alan Stern wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2014, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> 
> > > For a general device, the fact that dev->power.is_suspended is set
> > > means the device _has_ been powered down.  Even though the
> > > runtime_status may not have changed, the PM core has to assume the
> > > device is not available for use.
> > 
> > This seems to go a bit too far.  What power.is_suspended actually means is
> > that __device_suspend() has run for the device successfully.  What the
> > implications of that are depends on the bus type (or subsystem in general)
> > and device driver.
> > 
> > > While your I2C devices may be useable even after the ->suspend callback
> > > returns, for most devices this isn't true.  So we shouldn't allow
> > > rpm_resume() to return imediately when is_suspended is set.
> > 
> > I can agree with that.
> 
> We really do need to decide more precisely how runtime PM and system PM 
> will interact.  Should ->runtime_resume callbacks be allowed after 
> ->suspend has returned?
> 
> Kevin has stated that some devices do need this ability.  But most
> don't.  The PM core needs to handle these conflicting requirements
> somehow.

I agree.

I guess we'll have to introduce a separate opt-in flag for drivers with this
specific need.  At least I don't see any other way to take that into account.

> Note: this is a separate issue from the meaning of disabled_depth > 0.

Yes, it is.

Rafael


  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-06-22 13:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-14 10:03 Allen Yu
2014-06-14 14:32 ` Alan Stern
2014-06-16  3:03   ` Allen Yu
2014-06-16 14:43     ` Alan Stern
2014-06-16 17:40 ` Alan Stern
2014-06-16 21:29   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-06-17 14:11     ` Alan Stern
2014-06-17 20:26       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-06-17 20:37         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-06-17 20:46           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-06-18 15:30             ` Alan Stern
2014-06-18 23:57               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-06-19  8:23                 ` Allen Yu
2014-06-19 13:55                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-06-19 14:34                     ` Allen Yu
2014-06-20 14:04                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-06-19 14:56                   ` Alan Stern
2014-06-19 19:25                     ` Kevin Hilman
2014-06-19 20:13                       ` Alan Stern
2014-06-20 13:20                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-06-20 14:48                           ` Alan Stern
2014-06-20 21:34                             ` Kevin Hilman
2014-06-22 13:40                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-06-22 13:24                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2014-06-20 21:31                         ` Kevin Hilman
2014-06-21 13:34                           ` Alan Stern
2014-06-22 13:35                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-06-23 18:57                             ` Kevin Hilman
2014-06-19 14:34                 ` Alan Stern
2014-06-20 13:33                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-06-20 14:43                     ` Alan Stern
2014-06-22 13:21                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-06-22 16:45                         ` Alan Stern
2014-06-24 23:38                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-06-27 18:27                             ` [RFC] Add "rpm_not_supported" flag Alan Stern
2014-06-27 19:22                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-06-27 20:11                                 ` Alan Stern
2014-06-27 20:50                                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-06-28 15:32                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-06-30 13:52                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-06-30 14:42                                         ` Alan Stern
2014-07-01 23:18                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-07-02 14:27                                             ` Alan Stern
2014-07-02 17:56                                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-07-03 21:16                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-07-03 21:17                                                 ` Alan Stern
2014-07-16 22:40                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-07-16 23:03                                                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-07-16 23:27                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-07-17 14:27                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-07-18  0:48                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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