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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Grygorii Strashko <grygorii.strashko@ti.com>,
	Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu.vizoso@collabora.com>,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 03:28:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1475011.GNmxQvg88W@vostro.rjw.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1509151505040.1420-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 03:18:19 PM Alan Stern wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Thierry Reding wrote:
> 
> > > There are a few things to watch out for.  Since the dpm_list gets
> > > modified during system sleep transitions, we would have to make sure
> > > that nothing gets probed during those times.  In principle, that's what
> > > the "prepare" stage is meant for, but there's still a race.  As long as
> > > no other kernel thread (such as the deferred probing mechanism) tries
> > > to probe a device once everything has been frozen, we should be okay.
> > > But if not, there will be trouble -- after the ->prepare callback runs, 
> > > the device is no longer on the dpm_list and so we don't want this patch 
> > > to put it back on that list.
> > 
> > Perhaps moving to the end of the list needs to be a little smarter. That
> > is it could check whether the device has been prepared for suspension or
> > not and only move when it hasn't?
> 
> Maybe.  But doesn't that mean it won't solve your problem completely?
> 
> > Then again, shouldn't the core even prohibit new probes once the suspend
> > has been triggered? Sounds like asking for a lot of trouble if it didn't
> > ...
> 
> The core prohibits new devices from being registered.  It does not 
> prohibit probes of existing devices, because they currently do not 
> affect the dpm_list.

Which may be a mistake, because it does affect callbacks executed during
suspend/resume (after successful probe the device potentially has a different
set of PM callbacks than before).

> In general, we rely on subsystems not to do any probing once a device 
> is suspended.  It's probably reasonable to ask them not to do any 
> probing once a device has gone through the "prepare" stage.

Right.

Question is when it should be allowed to probe again.  I guess at the same
time we allow registrations to to take place again?

Thanks,
Rafael


  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-16  1:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-10 10:19 Thierry Reding
2015-09-10 10:58 ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-09-10 22:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-11 12:03   ` Thierry Reding
2015-09-11 19:01     ` Alan Stern
2015-09-11 22:28       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-12 17:40         ` Alan Stern
2015-09-15  0:40           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-15 14:23             ` Alan Stern
2015-09-16  1:04               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-16 13:39         ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-09-16 19:27           ` Alan Stern
2015-09-17  0:07             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-17 15:48               ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-09-17 23:59                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-18  0:03                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-10-01 18:14                   ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-09-15 16:10       ` Thierry Reding
2015-09-15 19:18         ` Alan Stern
2015-09-16  1:28           ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2015-09-16 13:38             ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-09-16 16:58               ` Alan Stern
2015-09-16 17:08             ` Alan Stern
2015-09-16 13:16           ` Thierry Reding
2015-09-16 19:22             ` Alan Stern
2015-09-17  0:27               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-17  2:04                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-17 17:02                   ` Alan Stern
2015-09-17 18:43                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-17 21:06                       ` Alan Stern
2015-09-18  0:13                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-18 15:55                       ` Thierry Reding
2015-09-18 23:07                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-21  8:51                           ` Thierry Reding
2015-09-21 14:34                             ` Alan Stern
2015-09-22  0:26                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-22  1:22                                 ` Alan Stern
2015-09-22  0:39                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-17  5:40                 ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-09-17 18:15                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-17 19:21                     ` Alan Stern
2015-09-11 22:38     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-15 15:53       ` Thierry Reding
2015-09-16  1:18         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-16 13:38           ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-09-17  0:55             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-11 14:05   ` Alan Stern

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