From: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
To: jamal <hadi@cyberus.ca>
Cc: Rick Jones <raj@cup.hp.com>,
Ion Badulescu <ionut@cs.columbia.edu>,
Andrew Morton <andrewm@uow.edu.au>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"netdev@oss.sgi.com" <netdev@oss.sgi.com>
Subject: Re: Still not sexy! (Re: sendfile+zerocopy: fairly sexy (nothing todowith ECN)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:13:36 -0800 (PST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <14974.13952.347437.536161@pizda.ninka.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.30.0102041426180.15417-100000@shell.cyberus.ca>
In-Reply-To: <3A77777D.E1A998FC@cup.hp.com> <Pine.GSO.4.30.0102041426180.15417-100000@shell.cyberus.ca>
jamal writes:
> > So, now you have to ask how well any given NIC follows chains of
> > buffers. At what number of buffers is the overhead in the NIC of
> > following the chains enough to keep it from achieving link-rate?
> >
>
> hmmm... not sure how you would enforce this today or why you would
> want that. Alexey, Dave?
> The kernel should be able to break it into two buffers(with netperf,
> for example -- header + data).
> Ok, probably with tux-http 3 (header, data, trailler).
First, just to make sure Jamal understands what Rick Jones is
trying to make note of. He is trying to say that the cost of
dealing with extra TX descriptor ring entries can begin to
nullify the gains of zerocopy, depending upon HW implementation (both
at the NIC and the PCI controller).
Back to today, it is possible that this is an issue if your machine
is near PCI bandwidth saturation before zerocopy for these tests.
I think this may be one of the factors causing Jamal to see results
Alexey cannot reproduce. Get two people with identical PCI host
bridges, Acenic in identical PCI slot, I bet the numbers begin to
jive.
Currently, you get "1 + ((MTU + PAGE_SIZE - 1) / PAGE_SIZE)" buffers
per packet when going over a zerocopy device using TCP.
Later,
David S. Miller
davem@redhat.com
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Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-01-27 5:45 sendfile+zerocopy: fairly sexy (nothing to do with ECN) Andrew Morton
2001-01-27 6:20 ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-01-27 8:19 ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-27 10:09 ` Ion Badulescu
2001-01-27 10:45 ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-30 6:00 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-30 12:44 ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-30 12:52 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-30 14:58 ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-30 17:49 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-01-30 22:17 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-31 0:31 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-01-31 0:45 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-30 22:28 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-30 23:34 ` Andrew Morton
2001-02-02 10:12 ` Andrew Morton
2001-02-02 12:14 ` Trond Myklebust
2001-02-02 17:51 ` David Lang
2001-02-02 22:46 ` David S. Miller
2001-02-02 22:57 ` David Lang
2001-02-03 2:27 ` James Sutherland
2001-02-02 23:09 ` David S. Miller
2001-02-02 23:13 ` David Lang
2001-02-02 23:28 ` Jeff Barrow
2001-02-02 23:31 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-27 10:05 ` Ion Badulescu
2001-01-27 10:39 ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-27 12:49 ` jamal
2001-01-30 1:06 ` Ion Badulescu
2001-01-30 2:48 ` jamal
2001-01-30 3:26 ` Ion Badulescu
2001-01-31 0:53 ` Still not sexy! (Re: " jamal
2001-01-31 0:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-31 1:04 ` jamal
2001-01-31 1:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-31 1:39 ` jamal
2001-01-31 11:21 ` Malcolm Beattie
2001-01-31 11:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-31 1:10 ` Still not sexy! (Re: sendfile+zerocopy: fairly sexy (nothing to dowith ECN) Rick Jones
2001-01-31 1:45 ` jamal
2001-01-31 2:25 ` Still not sexy! (Re: sendfile+zerocopy: fairly sexy (nothing todowith ECN) Rick Jones
2001-02-04 19:48 ` jamal
2001-02-05 18:51 ` Rick Jones
2001-02-05 5:13 ` David S. Miller [this message]
2001-01-27 12:43 ` sendfile+zerocopy: fairly sexy (nothing to do with ECN) jamal
2001-01-27 13:29 ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-27 14:15 ` jamal
2001-01-28 16:05 ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-29 18:50 ` Rick Jones
[not found] ` <200101271854.VAA02845@ms2.inr.ac.ru>
2001-01-28 5:34 ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-28 13:37 ` Felix von Leitner
2001-01-28 14:11 ` Dan Hollis
2001-01-28 14:27 ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-29 21:50 ` Pavel Machek
2001-01-28 19:43 ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-28 19:48 ` Choosing Linux NICs (was: Re: sendfile+zerocopy: fairly sexy (nothing to do with ECN)) Felix von Leitner
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