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From: "Woodhouse, David" <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>
To: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@intel.com>, <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@google.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>, <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	<x86@kernel.org>, <bp@alien8.de>, <rga@amazon.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/retpoline: Fill return stack buffer on vmexit
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 23:32:25 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1515627145.22302.273.camel@amazon.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1801101520460.25337@nftneq.ynat.uz>

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On Wed, 2018-01-10 at 15:22 -0800, David Lang wrote:
> I somewhat hate to ask this, but for those of us following at home, what does 
> this add to the overhead?
> 
> I am remembering an estimate from mid last week that put retpoline at replacing 
> a 3 clock 'ret' with 30 clocks of eye-bleed code

Retpoline doesn't replace 'ret'.

It replaces indirect branches (jmp *%rax) of which there aren't quite
as many in the kernel.

The eye-bleed retpoline thunk does actually stop speculation and cause
a pipeline stall. For the RSB stuffing that's not the case; there are
no barriers here.

The actual performance numbers depend on the precise CPU being used,
and I'm not sure anyone has done the microbenchmarks of each *specific*
part for of the mitigations separately. For this *particular* patch...
well, we strive to avoid vmexits anyway, and Intel has spent the last
decade adding more and more tricks to the CPU to help us *avoid*
vmexits. So a little extra overhead on the vmexit is something we can
probably tolerate.

FWIW the IBRS microcode also requires the RSB-stuffing, so it's kind of
orthogonal to the "retpoline is much faster than IBRS" observation.


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  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-11  0:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-10 22:51 David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 23:22 ` David Lang
2018-01-10 23:32   ` Woodhouse, David [this message]
2018-01-10 23:47 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-11  0:04   ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-11  8:42     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-11  8:49       ` Boris Petkov
2018-01-11  9:07         ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-11  9:32           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-11  9:47             ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-11  9:58               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-11  9:58               ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-10 23:47 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-11  0:14   ` Tom Lendacky
2018-01-11  1:04     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-11  1:12       ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-12  0:34     ` Tom Lendacky
2018-01-11  8:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-11 12:10   ` Woodhouse, David

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