From: "Woodhouse, David" <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>
To: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linux-foundation.org>,
Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@intel.com>, <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Kees Cook <keescook@google.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>, <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
<x86@kernel.org>, <bp@alien8.de>, <rga@amazon.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/retpoline: Fill return stack buffer on vmexit
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 23:32:25 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1515627145.22302.273.camel@amazon.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1801101520460.25337@nftneq.ynat.uz>
[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1195 bytes --]
On Wed, 2018-01-10 at 15:22 -0800, David Lang wrote:
> I somewhat hate to ask this, but for those of us following at home, what does
> this add to the overhead?
>
> I am remembering an estimate from mid last week that put retpoline at replacing
> a 3 clock 'ret' with 30 clocks of eye-bleed code
Retpoline doesn't replace 'ret'.
It replaces indirect branches (jmp *%rax) of which there aren't quite
as many in the kernel.
The eye-bleed retpoline thunk does actually stop speculation and cause
a pipeline stall. For the RSB stuffing that's not the case; there are
no barriers here.
The actual performance numbers depend on the precise CPU being used,
and I'm not sure anyone has done the microbenchmarks of each *specific*
part for of the mitigations separately. For this *particular* patch...
well, we strive to avoid vmexits anyway, and Intel has spent the last
decade adding more and more tricks to the CPU to help us *avoid*
vmexits. So a little extra overhead on the vmexit is something we can
probably tolerate.
FWIW the IBRS microcode also requires the RSB-stuffing, so it's kind of
orthogonal to the "retpoline is much faster than IBRS" observation.
[-- Attachment #2: smime.p7s --]
[-- Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature, Size: 5210 bytes --]
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-01-11 0:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-01-10 22:51 David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 23:22 ` David Lang
2018-01-10 23:32 ` Woodhouse, David [this message]
2018-01-10 23:47 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-11 0:04 ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-11 8:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-11 8:49 ` Boris Petkov
2018-01-11 9:07 ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-11 9:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-11 9:47 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-11 9:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-11 9:58 ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-10 23:47 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-11 0:14 ` Tom Lendacky
2018-01-11 1:04 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-11 1:12 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-12 0:34 ` Tom Lendacky
2018-01-11 8:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-11 12:10 ` Woodhouse, David
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=1515627145.22302.273.camel@amazon.co.uk \
--to=dwmw@amazon.co.uk \
--cc=ak@linux.intel.com \
--cc=bp@alien8.de \
--cc=dave.hansen@intel.com \
--cc=david@lang.hm \
--cc=gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk \
--cc=gregkh@linux-foundation.org \
--cc=jikos@kernel.org \
--cc=keescook@google.com \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=luto@amacapital.net \
--cc=peterz@infradead.org \
--cc=pjt@google.com \
--cc=rga@amazon.de \
--cc=riel@redhat.com \
--cc=tglx@linutronix.de \
--cc=tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com \
--cc=torvalds@linux-foundation.org \
--cc=x86@kernel.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox
all inboxes | Powered by JetHome®