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From: Bart Van Assche <Bart.VanAssche@wdc.com>
To: "snitzer@redhat.com" <snitzer@redhat.com>
Cc: "dm-devel@redhat.com" <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
	"hch@infradead.org" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-block@vger.kernel.org" <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
	"osandov@fb.com" <osandov@fb.com>,
	"ming.lei@redhat.com" <ming.lei@redhat.com>,
	"axboe@kernel.dk" <axboe@kernel.dk>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] blk-mq: fixup RESTART when queue becomes idle
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 17:20:57 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1516296056.2676.23.camel@wdc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180118170353.GB19734@redhat.com>

On Thu, 2018-01-18 at 12:03 -0500, Mike Snitzer wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 18 2018 at 11:50am -0500,
> Bart Van Assche <bart.vanassche@wdc.com> wrote:
> > My comments about the above are as follows:
> > - It can take up to q->rq_timeout jiffies after a .queue_rq()
> >   implementation returned BLK_STS_RESOURCE before blk_mq_timeout_work()
> >   gets called. However, it can happen that only a few milliseconds after
> >   .queue_rq() returned BLK_STS_RESOURCE that the condition that caused
> >   it to return BLK_STS_RESOURCE gets cleared. So the above approach can
> >   result in long delays during which it will seem like the queue got
> >   stuck. Additionally, I think that the block driver should decide how
> >   long it takes before a queue is rerun and not the block layer core.
> 
> So configure q->rq_timeout to be shorter?  Which is configurable though
> blk_mq_tag_set's 'timeout' member.  It apparently defaults to 30 * HZ.
> 
> That is the problem with timeouts, there is generally no one size fits
> all.

Sorry but I think that would be wrong. The delay after which a queue is rerun
should not be coupled to the request timeout. These two should be independent.

> > - The lockup that I reported only occurs with the dm driver but not any
> >   other block driver. So why to modify the block layer core since this
> >   can be fixed by modifying the dm driver?
> 
> Hard to know it is only DM's blk-mq that is impacted.  That is the only
> blk-mq driver that you're testing like this (that is also able to handle
> faults, etc).

That's not correct. I'm also testing the SCSI core, which is one of the most
complicated block drivers.

> > - A much simpler fix and a fix that is known to work exists, namely
> >   inserting a blk_mq_delay_run_hw_queue() call in the dm driver.
> 
> Because your "much simpler" fix actively hurts performance, as is
> detailed in this header:
> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/device-mapper/linux-dm.git/commit/?h=dm-4.16&id=ec3eaf9a673106f66606896aed6ddd20180b02ec

We are close to the start of the merge window so I think it's better to fall
back to an old approach that is known to work than to keep a new approach
that is known not to work. Additionally, the performance issue you referred
to only affects IOPS and bandwidth more than 1% with the lpfc driver and that
is because the queue depth it supports is much lower than for other SCSI HBAs,
namely 3 instead of 64.

Thanks,

Bart.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-18 17:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-18  2:41 Ming Lei
2018-01-18 16:50 ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-18 17:03   ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-18 17:20     ` Bart Van Assche [this message]
2018-01-18 18:30       ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-18 18:47         ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-18 20:11           ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-18 20:48             ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-18 20:58               ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-18 21:23                 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-18 21:37                   ` Laurence Oberman
2018-01-18 21:39                   ` [dm-devel] " Bart Van Assche
2018-01-18 22:01                     ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-18 22:18                       ` Laurence Oberman
2018-01-18 22:24                         ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-18 22:35                           ` Laurence Oberman
2018-01-18 22:39                             ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-18 22:55                               ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-18 22:20                       ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-23  9:22                         ` [PATCH] block: neutralize blk_insert_cloned_request IO stall regression (was: Re: [RFC PATCH] blk-mq: fixup RESTART when queue becomes idle) Mike Snitzer
2018-01-23 10:53                           ` Ming Lei
2018-01-23 12:15                             ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-23 12:17                               ` Ming Lei
2018-01-23 12:43                                 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-23 16:43                           ` [PATCH] " Bart Van Assche
2018-01-19  2:32             ` [RFC PATCH] blk-mq: fixup RESTART when queue becomes idle Ming Lei
2018-01-19  4:02               ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19  7:26                 ` Ming Lei
2018-01-19 15:20                   ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-19 15:25                     ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19 15:33                     ` Ming Lei
2018-01-19 16:06                       ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-19 15:24                   ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19 15:40                     ` Ming Lei
2018-01-19 15:48                       ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19 16:05                         ` Ming Lei
2018-01-19 16:19                           ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19 16:26                             ` Ming Lei
2018-01-19 16:27                               ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19 16:37                                 ` Ming Lei
2018-01-19 16:41                                   ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19 16:47                                     ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-19 16:52                                       ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19 17:05                                         ` Ming Lei
2018-01-19 17:09                                           ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19 17:20                                             ` Ming Lei
2018-01-19 17:38                                   ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19 18:24                                     ` Ming Lei
2018-01-19 18:33                                     ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-19 23:52                                     ` Ming Lei
2018-01-20  4:27                                       ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19 16:13                         ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-19 16:23                           ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19 23:57                             ` Ming Lei
2018-01-29 22:37                     ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-19  5:09               ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-19  7:34                 ` Ming Lei
2018-01-19 19:47                   ` Bart Van Assche

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