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From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
To: Marc Perkel <mperkel@yahoo.com>
Cc: Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com>,
	Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>,
	Michael Tharp <gxti@partiallystapled.com>,
	alan <alan@clueserver.org>,
	LKML Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:42:45 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <15627.1187235765@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:48:15 PDT." <291255.29775.qm@web52505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:48:15 PDT, Marc Perkel said:
> > Consider the rules:
> > 
> > peter '*a*' can create
> > peter '*b*' cannot create
> > 
> > Peter tries to create 'foo-ab-bar' - is he allowed
> > to or not?
> > 
> 
> First - I'm proposing a concept, not writing the
> implementation of the concept. You are asking what
> happens when someone write conflicting rules. That
> depends on how you implement it. Conflicting rules can
> cause unpredictable results.

Good. Go work out what the rules have to be in order for the system to
behave sanely.  "Hand-waving concept" doesn't get anywhere.  Fully fleshed-out
concepts sometimes do - once they sprout code to actually  implement them.

> The point is that one can choose any rule system they
> want and the rules applies to the names of the files
> and the permissions of the users.

No, you *can't* choose any rule system you want - some rule systems are
unworkable because they create security exposures (usually of the
"ln /etc/passwd /tmp/foo" variety, but sometimes race conditions as well).

> > For an exersize, either write a program or do by
> > hand:

> All you would have to do is create a set of rules that
> emulates the current rules and you would have the same
> results.

Good. Go create it. Let us know when you're done.  Remember - not only do
you need to have it generate the same results, you need to find a way to
implement it so that it's somewhere near the same speed as the current code.
If it's 10 times slower, it's not going to fly no matter *how* "cool" it is.

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-16  3:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-14 22:45 Marc Perkel
2007-08-14 22:51 ` alan
2007-08-15 13:02   ` Michael Tharp
2007-08-15 13:30     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-15 13:53       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 15:14         ` Michael Tharp
2007-08-15 16:36           ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:17             ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 17:30               ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 18:22                 ` Craig Ruff
2007-08-15 20:35                   ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-16 11:27                     ` Helge Hafting
2007-08-15 16:02         ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 16:57           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-15 17:09             ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:22               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 17:34                 ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-18 23:27                   ` Alan
2007-08-18 23:26                 ` Alan
2007-08-19  2:03                   ` david
2007-08-19  2:57                     ` Al Viro
2007-09-01 23:20                       ` Oleg Verych
2007-08-15 19:20               ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-16 23:12               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-08-15 16:58           ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 17:19             ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:37               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 17:59                 ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 19:26                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-15 20:11                     ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 20:44                       ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 21:04                         ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-16 11:42               ` Helge Hafting
2007-08-16 12:09                 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-08-15 17:34         ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-15 17:53           ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 18:05             ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 18:14               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 20:20                 ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 20:43                   ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-15 20:50                     ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 21:20                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-15 22:48                         ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-16  3:42                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks [this message]
2007-08-15 20:38             ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-15 21:17               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 22:14                 ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-16  4:44                   ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-16 15:09                     ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-16 15:29                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-16 17:28                         ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-16 17:31                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-16 22:03                             ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-16 23:17                       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-17  4:24                         ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-17  4:52                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-17 15:19                         ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-17 15:39                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-17 19:01                             ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-18  5:48                               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-18 16:45                                 ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-18 18:19                                   ` Al Viro
2007-08-19  4:07                                     ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-20  7:05                                       ` Nix
2007-08-20  7:47                                         ` Brennan Ashton
2007-08-20 11:18                                           ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-20 13:32                                             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-08-20 15:25                                             ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-20 15:26                                             ` Helge Hafting
2007-08-20 19:52                                               ` Nix
2007-08-20 16:21                                             ` [OT] " Randy Dunlap
2007-08-20 16:20                                               ` Xavier Bestel
2007-08-20 14:29                                       ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-20 15:13                                       ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-20 14:24                                 ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-15 22:40                 ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:54           ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:02   ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:30     ` Michael Tharp
2007-08-15 17:51       ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 20:02 ` Yakov Lerner
2007-08-15  7:49 Tim Tassonis
2007-08-15 18:23 Brian Wheeler
2007-08-20 11:54 Tim Tassonis

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