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From: Marc Perkel <mperkel@yahoo.com>
To: Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>
Cc: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,
	Michael Tharp <gxti@partiallystapled.com>,
	alan <alan@clueserver.org>,
	LKML Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:34:11 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <922139.21476.qm@web52506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <A631EFDE-354D-498E-980E-2B785517AC51@mac.com>


--- Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com> wrote:

> On Aug 15, 2007, at 13:09:31, Marc Perkel wrote:
> > The idea is that people have permissions - not
> files.  By people I  
> > mean users, groups, managers, applications
> > etc. One might even specify that there are no
> permission  
> > restrictions at all. Part of the process would be
> that the kernel  
> > load what code it will use for the permission
> system. It might even  
> > be a little perl script you write.
> >
> > Also - you aren't even giving permission to access
> files. It's  
> > permission to access name patterns. One could
> apply REGEX masks to  
> > names to determine permissions. So if you have
> permission to the  
> > name you have permission to the file.
> 
> Please excuse me, I'm going to go stand over in the
> corner for a minute.
> 
> *hahahahahaa hahahahahaaa hahaa hoo hee snicker
> sniff*
> 
> *wanders back into the conversation*
> 
> Sorry about that, pardon me.
> 
> I suspect you will find it somewhat hard to convince
> *anybody* on  
> this list to put either a regex engine or a Perl
> interpreter into the  
> kernel.  I doubt you could even get a simple
> shell-style pattern  
> matcher in.  First of all, both of the former chew
> up enormous gobs  
> of stack space *AND* they're NP-complete.  You just
> can't do such  
> matching even in polynomial time, let alone
> something that scales  
> appropriately for an OS kernel like, say, O(log(n)).
> 
> Cheers,
> Kyle Moffett
> 


Keep in mind that this is about thinking outside the
box. Don't let new ideas scare you.

I'm not suggesting that the kernel contain perl. I'm
saying that you can let the kernel call a perl program
in user space to control part of the permission
system. There are examples of this in FUSE. What I'm
suggesting would be very FUSE friendly.


Marc Perkel
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  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-15 17:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-14 22:45 Marc Perkel
2007-08-14 22:51 ` alan
2007-08-15 13:02   ` Michael Tharp
2007-08-15 13:30     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-15 13:53       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 15:14         ` Michael Tharp
2007-08-15 16:36           ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:17             ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 17:30               ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 18:22                 ` Craig Ruff
2007-08-15 20:35                   ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-16 11:27                     ` Helge Hafting
2007-08-15 16:02         ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 16:57           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-15 17:09             ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:22               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 17:34                 ` Marc Perkel [this message]
2007-08-18 23:27                   ` Alan
2007-08-18 23:26                 ` Alan
2007-08-19  2:03                   ` david
2007-08-19  2:57                     ` Al Viro
2007-09-01 23:20                       ` Oleg Verych
2007-08-15 19:20               ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-16 23:12               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-08-15 16:58           ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 17:19             ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:37               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 17:59                 ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 19:26                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-15 20:11                     ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 20:44                       ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 21:04                         ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-16 11:42               ` Helge Hafting
2007-08-16 12:09                 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-08-15 17:34         ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-15 17:53           ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 18:05             ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 18:14               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 20:20                 ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 20:43                   ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-15 20:50                     ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 21:20                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-15 22:48                         ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-16  3:42                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-15 20:38             ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-15 21:17               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 22:14                 ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-16  4:44                   ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-16 15:09                     ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-16 15:29                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-16 17:28                         ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-16 17:31                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-16 22:03                             ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-16 23:17                       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-17  4:24                         ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-17  4:52                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-17 15:19                         ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-17 15:39                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-17 19:01                             ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-18  5:48                               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-18 16:45                                 ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-18 18:19                                   ` Al Viro
2007-08-19  4:07                                     ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-20  7:05                                       ` Nix
2007-08-20  7:47                                         ` Brennan Ashton
2007-08-20 11:18                                           ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-20 13:32                                             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-08-20 15:25                                             ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-20 15:26                                             ` Helge Hafting
2007-08-20 19:52                                               ` Nix
2007-08-20 16:21                                             ` [OT] " Randy Dunlap
2007-08-20 16:20                                               ` Xavier Bestel
2007-08-20 14:29                                       ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-20 15:13                                       ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-20 14:24                                 ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-15 22:40                 ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:54           ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:02   ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:30     ` Michael Tharp
2007-08-15 17:51       ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 20:02 ` Yakov Lerner
2007-08-15  7:49 Tim Tassonis
2007-08-15 18:23 Brian Wheeler
2007-08-20 11:54 Tim Tassonis

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