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From: bob <bob@watson.ibm.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: karim@opersys.com, Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, okrieg@watson.ibm.com,
	okrieg@us.ibm.com, frankeh@us.ibm.com,
	LTT-Dev <ltt-dev@shafik.org>
Subject: LTT for inclusion into 2.5
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:00:15 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <15809.21188.456354.71271@k42.watson.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3DC0A01B.15B8B535@opersys.com>

Linus,

     LTT is one step in allowing Linux to continue to move towards being a
viable alternative for more than just hackers.  It is part of a larger
effort to provide reliability and serviceability.  Concretely it allows
application/subsystem programmers to understand the performance of their
applications and the system.  I should note, it also allows people to
improve kernel behavior as well.  As we have communicated in the past, the
ability to gather and analyze this data is vital.  From my correspondences
with Ingo

"If you care about performance you will want to trace.  On two previous
kernels I have worked on I've heard this comment ["we don't need tracing"].
Once the infrastructure was in it was used and appreciated."  There were
world-class programmers involved in these projects that did not see the
value of such infrastructure until they were able to use it.

I think Karim provided a list of possible uses, there are countless
applications of this - I'll list some more: 
 seeing where unexplained idle tie is occurring
 understanding where interrupt processing time is going
 understanding interactions between applications - which is running when
 etc etc etc

If you look around the kernel, subsystems, and applications, you will find
growing numbers of one-off-ways of gathering this information.  Providing a
unified way for different developers to communicate about performance will
significantly improve the ability to performance debug different
applications, drivers, system/application interaction, etc.

LTT has existed for a long time now and recent additions have been well
motivated: For a while now I have been working with the RAS team at IBM and
with Karim Yaghmour to streamline LTT and make it perform well on MPs.  We
have addressed all the concerns raised by yourself, Ingo, and others from
previous postings.  If there remains concern, it is also possible for one
to disable tracing.  Some of the features we put into LTT came from ideas
we prototyped in K42 (www.research.ibm.com/K42) which in turn was developed
based on my experience writing a tracing infrastructure for IRIX while
working for SGI, and other's experiences with AIX's tracing facilities.

LTT is a valuable aspect in allowing developers using Linux to understand
their application's and the system's behavior.  It serves to strengthen
Linux's RAS capabilities and would be great to get included into 2.5.
Thanks.

Thank you.

Robert Wisniewski
The K42 MP OS Project
Advanced Operating Systems
Scalable Parallel Systems
IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
914-945-3181
http://www.research.ibm.com/K42/
bob@watson.ibm.com


  reply	other threads:[~2002-10-31 15:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 323+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-31  2:07 What's left over Rusty Russell
2002-10-31  2:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31  2:43   ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-31 16:36     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-10-31 17:04       ` Stephen Frost
2002-10-31 17:38       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 18:00         ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-11-06 20:52           ` Florian Weimer
2002-10-31 22:57     ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-31 22:28       ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-31 23:08         ` Pavel Machek
2002-11-01  9:55         ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2002-10-31  3:00   ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-31  3:19     ` tridge
2002-10-31  6:21       ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-11-05  3:38         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2002-10-31  3:22     ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-31  3:31       ` tridge
2002-10-31 10:15     ` Joe Thornber
2002-10-31 14:26       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-31 14:55         ` Alan Cox
2002-10-31 21:14       ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-01  8:20         ` Joe Thornber
2002-10-31 11:03     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-10-31 21:17       ` James Simmons
2002-10-31  3:06   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-31  3:19     ` Stephen Frost
2002-10-31 21:09       ` john stultz
2002-10-31 21:49         ` Werner Almesberger
2002-10-31 22:32           ` john stultz
2002-10-31 22:54             ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-01  0:54               ` john stultz
2002-11-01  1:31                 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-05  3:58                 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2002-10-31  6:22     ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-10-31  6:48       ` Dax Kelson
2002-10-31  6:56         ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-10-31 14:31           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-31 18:12             ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-10-31 18:49               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 19:43                 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-11-01 15:25                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-01 15:35                     ` bert hubert
2002-11-01 15:50                     ` Gerald Britton
2002-11-01 18:17                       ` Matt Porter
2002-11-01 16:15                     ` Michael Clark
2002-11-01 16:16                     ` Erik Andersen
2002-11-01 20:43                     ` romieu
2002-10-31 18:28           ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-31 18:58             ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-31 19:14               ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-31 19:20             ` Alan Cox
2002-10-31 19:17               ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-31 20:45               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-11-01  6:00               ` James Morris
2002-10-31  7:10         ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-31  7:21           ` Dax Kelson
2002-10-31  7:42             ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-31 16:24               ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2002-10-31 16:44                 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-31 17:11                   ` Stephen Frost
2002-10-31 17:30                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-31 17:39                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 17:36                   ` Richard Gooch
2002-11-02 17:35               ` LA Walsh
2002-11-02 20:44                 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-10-31 22:53           ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-31  9:44     ` Lech Szychowski
2002-10-31  3:14   ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-10-31 16:00     ` bob [this message]
2002-10-31 16:19       ` Is your idea good? [was: Re: LTT for inclusion into 2.5] Larry McVoy
2002-10-31 16:38         ` Cort Dougan
2002-10-31 16:47         ` bob
2002-10-31 17:35         ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-10-31  3:21   ` What's left over Stephen Lord
2002-10-31  3:59   ` Andreas Dilger
2002-10-31  4:20   ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-10-31  4:25     ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-31  4:31       ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-10-31  5:13   ` Dax Kelson
2002-10-31  6:07   ` [PATCH] kexec for 2.5.45 Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-31  6:25   ` What's left over Matt D. Robinson
2002-10-31 15:46     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 17:10       ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-10-31 17:13       ` Michael Shuey
2002-10-31 19:04         ` Alan Cox
2002-10-31 19:42           ` Michael Shuey
2002-11-01 22:25           ` Pavel Machek
2002-11-02 13:30             ` Michael Shuey
2002-10-31 17:18       ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-10-31 17:25         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 17:54           ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-10-31 17:54             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 18:21               ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-10-31 18:31               ` John Alvord
2002-11-02 23:44             ` Horst von Brand
2002-11-03  1:14               ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-10-31 18:10           ` Chris Friesen
2002-10-31 18:22             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 20:59               ` Dave Anderson
2002-10-31 21:49                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-11-01  1:25                 ` [lkcd-devel] " Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-01  6:34               ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-01 13:26                 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-01 19:00                   ` Joel Becker
2002-11-01 19:18                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-01 20:06                       ` Steven King
2002-11-02  5:17                         ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-02  5:36                           ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-11-03 14:08                             ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-02 15:29                           ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03  1:24                             ` [lkcd-general] " Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-03  1:49                               ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03  9:34                                 ` [lkcd-devel] " Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-03 14:33                                 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-03 15:34                                   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-11-03 16:32                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03 17:08                                     ` [lkcd-devel] " Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-05 18:07                                     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-03  3:10                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-11-01 20:21                       ` David Lang
2002-11-01 22:25                         ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-01 22:42                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-11-01 22:54                             ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-01 23:10                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-11-01 20:22                       ` [lkcd-devel] " Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-02 13:02                         ` Kai Henningsen
2002-11-01 20:37                       ` Hugh Dickins
2002-11-02 18:23                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-11-03  2:25                         ` Horst von Brand
2002-11-04 16:18                           ` Hugh Dickins
2002-11-03 13:48                   ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-03 14:26                     ` yodaiken
2002-11-05 17:09                       ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-05 17:36                         ` yodaiken
2002-11-04  2:44                     ` [lkcd-general] " Jennie Haywood
2002-11-04 14:45                       ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-11-04 15:29                         ` Alan Cox
2002-11-04 15:27                           ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-11-04 15:38                             ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-04 16:51                               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-11-05  4:57                         ` Werner Almesberger
2002-10-31 18:50             ` Alan Cox
2002-10-31 21:33             ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-01  1:19               ` [lkcd-devel] " Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-01  2:59                 ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-31 18:15           ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-31 19:58             ` Bernhard Kaindl
2002-11-02  0:49             ` What's left over. - Dave's crash code supports a gdb interface for LKCD crash dumps Piet Delaney
2002-10-31 18:16           ` What's left over Oliver Xymoron
2002-10-31 18:26             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 18:49           ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-31 21:02           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-31 22:37             ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-05 11:42               ` [lkcd-devel] " Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-11-05 18:00                 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-05 18:36                   ` Alan Cox
2002-11-05 19:19                     ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-05 20:10                       ` Alan Cox
2002-11-05 23:25                         ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-06  0:21                       ` Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-06  1:10                         ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-06  1:37                           ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-06  2:05                             ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-07  6:04                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-07 12:17                                 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-06  4:07                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-06  4:47                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-06 19:24                               ` Rob Landley
2002-11-10 18:35                         ` Pavel Machek
2002-11-06  2:48                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-06  4:29                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-06  6:25                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-06  6:38                         ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-11-06  7:48                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-06  9:11                           ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-11-06 22:05                           ` Michal Jaegermann
2002-11-06 16:13                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-07  8:50                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-07 15:44                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-09 23:05                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-09 23:33                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-10  1:37                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10  2:12                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-11-10  2:16                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10  3:03                                       ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-10  3:23                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10 14:30                                       ` Alan Cox
2002-11-10 16:56                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10  3:17                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-10  4:26                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10 18:07                                     ` Kexec 2.5.46-b6 Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-11 18:03                                     ` [lkcd-devel] Re: What's left over Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-11 18:15                                     ` Kexec for v2.5.47 Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-11 22:52                                       ` Kexec for v2.5.47 (test feedback) Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-12  7:22                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-13  0:48                                           ` Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-13  4:16                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-13 13:26                                             ` Kexec for v2.5.47-bk2 Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-15  9:24                                               ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-11-15 14:14                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-15 14:37                                                 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-20  9:44                                                   ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-11-20 17:28                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-18  0:07                                             ` [ANNOUNCE] kexec-tools-1.6 released Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-18  5:46                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-18  8:53                                                 ` [ANNOUNCE][CFT] kexec for v2.5.48 && kexec-tools-1.7 Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19  1:10                                                   ` [ANNOUNCE][CFT] kexec for v2.5.48 && kexec-tools-1.7 -- Success Story! Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-19 10:25                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19 17:21                                                       ` Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-19 17:34                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19 18:17                                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-11-20  9:19                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19 19:29                                                           ` Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-20  8:49                                                     ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-11-20  9:17                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-20 11:59                                                         ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-11-20 15:05                                                         ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-20 16:48                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19  2:15                                                   ` [ANNOUNCE][CFT] kexec for v2.5.48 && kexec-tools-1.7 Dave Hansen
2002-11-19 10:13                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19 15:28                                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-11-19 17:44                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19 16:24                                                       ` Dave Hansen
2002-11-19 17:33                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-19 17:48                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19 17:54                                                             ` Dave Jones
2002-11-19 17:42                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-12-02  4:41                                                   ` [ANNOUNCE] kexec-tools-1.8 Eric W. Biederman
2002-12-03  2:30                                                     ` Dave Hansen
2002-12-03  7:35                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-12-13  2:00                                                         ` Dave Hansen
2002-12-02 15:54                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-09 23:39                               ` [lkcd-devel] Re: What's left over Randy.Dunlap
2002-11-10  2:58                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10 14:35                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-11-10 18:13                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10  1:31                               ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-10  3:10                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10  3:30                                   ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-10  3:49                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10  3:49                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-10  2:08                               ` Alan Cox
2002-11-10  2:18                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10 14:31                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-11-07 15:48                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-07 19:32                           ` kexec (was: [lkcd-devel] Re: What's left over.) Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-07 22:13                             ` Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-07 22:56                               ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-11 17:03                             ` Bill Davidsen
     [not found]                             ` <200211080536.31287.landley@trommello.org>
2002-11-11 17:58                               ` Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-11 18:25                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-08 18:01                           ` [lkcd-devel] Re: What's left over Alan Cox
2002-11-09 21:21                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-11-11 16:27                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-01  1:35             ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-01  2:06               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-11-01  3:46                 ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-01  4:45                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-01  4:57                     ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-01  9:18                       ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-11-01 14:55                         ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-01 15:16                           ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-01 15:27                             ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-01 16:16                             ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-01 16:32                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-11-01 16:44                                 ` Linux without Linus was " Brian Jackson
2002-11-01 16:58                                   ` Paul Fulghum
2002-11-01 19:14                                 ` Shawn
2002-11-01 19:36                                   ` Shawn
2002-11-01 17:56                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-11-01 18:23                               ` Shane R. Stixrud
2002-11-01 19:18                                 ` John Alvord
2002-11-04  2:13                               ` Rob Landley
2002-11-04 14:58                                 ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-04 12:59                                   ` Rob Landley
2002-11-01 15:32                           ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-11-01 13:30             ` Alan Cox
2002-11-01 22:28               ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-01  6:27           ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-01  6:36             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-01  7:00               ` [lkcd-devel] " Castor Fu
2002-11-01  8:23               ` Craig I. Hagan
2002-11-01 14:03                 ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-02  4:57                 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-01 13:28               ` Alan Cox
2002-11-02  5:00                 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-02 15:30                   ` Alan Cox
2002-11-02 18:55                   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-11-02 19:19                     ` romieu
2002-11-02 19:21                       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-11-02 19:32                         ` romieu
2002-11-02 19:42                           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-11-02 20:23                             ` romieu
2002-11-02 20:31                     ` Alan Cox
2002-11-02 20:12                       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-11-01  9:20             ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-11-01 13:29             ` Alan Cox
2002-10-31 22:20         ` Shawn
2002-10-31 23:14           ` [lkcd-general] " Bernhard Kaindl
2002-11-01  2:01           ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-02 10:36             ` Brad Hards
2002-11-02 19:28               ` [lkcd-devel] " Matt D. Robinson
2002-10-31 17:55       ` [lkcd-general] " Dave Craft
2002-10-31 18:45         ` Patrick Mochel
2002-10-31 19:16           ` Stephen Hemminger
2002-10-31 19:57             ` george anzinger
2002-10-31 20:48               ` Stephen Hemminger
2002-10-31 19:33       ` [lkcd-devel] " Castor Fu
2002-10-31  7:46   ` Ville Herva
2002-10-31  9:23     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-10-31  9:39       ` Ville Herva
2002-10-31 10:16   ` Trever L. Adams
2002-10-31 18:08     ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-31 13:36   ` mbs
2002-10-31 14:21   ` Chris Friesen
2002-10-31 14:52   ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-10-31 16:37   ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-11-01  0:52   ` James Simmons
2002-11-01 10:24   ` What's left over. (Fbdev rewrite) Helge Hafting
2002-11-05 17:29 ` kexec (was: Re: What's left over.) Werner Almesberger
2002-11-05 18:10   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-11-05 19:06   ` Martin J. Bligh

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