From: Werner Almesberger <wa@almesberger.net>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: ebiederm@xmission.com, Suparna Bhattacharya <suparna@in.ibm.com>,
Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
"Matt D. Robinson" <yakker@aparity.com>,
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
lkcd-general@lists.sourceforge.net,
lkcd-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [lkcd-devel] Re: What's left over.
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:25:38 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021105202538.J1408@almesberger.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1036527046.6750.16.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk>; from alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk on Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 08:10:46PM +0000
Alan Cox wrote:
>> - a system call to set it up
>
> Device, file, insmod...
I don't know what Eric thinks about using something else than a
system call, but I think he made a quite reasonable choice.
The data structure isn't entirely trivial, so a misc device plus
ioctl would be a bit on the ugly side. I vaguely remember having
proposed something like this a while ago (may have been for
pivot_root), and everybody went "noooo!!" ;-)
insmod would be possible, although with a rather unusual parameter
passing scheme. Also, when using kexec from inside the kernel (e.g.
MCORE), the insmod solution would have to split kexec into the
interface and the kexec core.
But yes, there's always a means to avoid adding a new system
call. /dev/syscall with an ioctl
struct syscall_ioctl {
const char *symbol_name;
va_list ap;
};
anyone ? :-) (Implementing it might be a bit of a challenge :)
> So you need to register with the power management as the last thing to
> be suspended and do a suspend before kexec.
Well, kexec just calls device_shutdown. The problem isn't the
interface, it's that device_shutdown apparently doesn't work too
well (devices not supporting it, some semantics mixup, etc.).
But this is general infrastructure work, that should be done
with or without kexec.
> I'm mostly worried about how to make these things fit the least
> intrusively into the kernel.
Just look at Eric's kexec patch. It isn't particularly intrusive:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=103604471723358&w=2
(For 2.5.45. The patch fails for 2.5.46, because new system calls
were added ...)
- Werner
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2002-10-31 2:07 Rusty Russell
2002-10-31 2:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 2:43 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-31 16:36 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-10-31 17:04 ` Stephen Frost
2002-10-31 17:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 18:00 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-11-06 20:52 ` Florian Weimer
2002-10-31 22:57 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-31 22:28 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-31 23:08 ` Pavel Machek
2002-11-01 9:55 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2002-10-31 3:00 ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-31 3:19 ` tridge
2002-10-31 6:21 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-11-05 3:38 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2002-10-31 3:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-31 3:31 ` tridge
2002-10-31 10:15 ` Joe Thornber
2002-10-31 14:26 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-31 14:55 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-31 21:14 ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-01 8:20 ` Joe Thornber
2002-10-31 11:03 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-10-31 21:17 ` James Simmons
2002-10-31 3:06 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-31 3:19 ` Stephen Frost
2002-10-31 21:09 ` john stultz
2002-10-31 21:49 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-10-31 22:32 ` john stultz
2002-10-31 22:54 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-01 0:54 ` john stultz
2002-11-01 1:31 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-05 3:58 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2002-10-31 6:22 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-10-31 6:48 ` Dax Kelson
2002-10-31 6:56 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-10-31 14:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-31 18:12 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-10-31 18:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 19:43 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-11-01 15:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-01 15:35 ` bert hubert
2002-11-01 15:50 ` Gerald Britton
2002-11-01 18:17 ` Matt Porter
2002-11-01 16:15 ` Michael Clark
2002-11-01 16:16 ` Erik Andersen
2002-11-01 20:43 ` romieu
2002-10-31 18:28 ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-31 18:58 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-31 19:14 ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-31 19:20 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-31 19:17 ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-31 20:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-11-01 6:00 ` James Morris
2002-10-31 7:10 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-31 7:21 ` Dax Kelson
2002-10-31 7:42 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-31 16:24 ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2002-10-31 16:44 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-31 17:11 ` Stephen Frost
2002-10-31 17:30 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-31 17:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 17:36 ` Richard Gooch
2002-11-02 17:35 ` LA Walsh
2002-11-02 20:44 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-10-31 22:53 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-31 9:44 ` Lech Szychowski
2002-10-31 3:14 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-10-31 16:00 ` LTT for inclusion into 2.5 bob
2002-10-31 16:19 ` Is your idea good? [was: Re: LTT for inclusion into 2.5] Larry McVoy
2002-10-31 16:38 ` Cort Dougan
2002-10-31 16:47 ` bob
2002-10-31 17:35 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-10-31 3:21 ` What's left over Stephen Lord
2002-10-31 3:59 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-10-31 4:20 ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-10-31 4:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-31 4:31 ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-10-31 5:13 ` Dax Kelson
2002-10-31 6:07 ` [PATCH] kexec for 2.5.45 Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-31 6:25 ` What's left over Matt D. Robinson
2002-10-31 15:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 17:10 ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-10-31 17:13 ` Michael Shuey
2002-10-31 19:04 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-31 19:42 ` Michael Shuey
2002-11-01 22:25 ` Pavel Machek
2002-11-02 13:30 ` Michael Shuey
2002-10-31 17:18 ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-10-31 17:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 17:54 ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-10-31 17:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 18:21 ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-10-31 18:31 ` John Alvord
2002-11-02 23:44 ` Horst von Brand
2002-11-03 1:14 ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-10-31 18:10 ` Chris Friesen
2002-10-31 18:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 20:59 ` Dave Anderson
2002-10-31 21:49 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-11-01 1:25 ` [lkcd-devel] " Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-01 6:34 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-01 13:26 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-01 19:00 ` Joel Becker
2002-11-01 19:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-01 20:06 ` Steven King
2002-11-02 5:17 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-02 5:36 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-11-03 14:08 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-02 15:29 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03 1:24 ` [lkcd-general] " Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-03 1:49 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03 9:34 ` [lkcd-devel] " Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-03 14:33 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-03 15:34 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-11-03 16:32 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03 17:08 ` [lkcd-devel] " Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-05 18:07 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-03 3:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-11-01 20:21 ` David Lang
2002-11-01 22:25 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-01 22:42 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-11-01 22:54 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-01 23:10 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-11-01 20:22 ` [lkcd-devel] " Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-02 13:02 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-11-01 20:37 ` Hugh Dickins
2002-11-02 18:23 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-11-03 2:25 ` Horst von Brand
2002-11-04 16:18 ` Hugh Dickins
2002-11-03 13:48 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-03 14:26 ` yodaiken
2002-11-05 17:09 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-05 17:36 ` yodaiken
2002-11-04 2:44 ` [lkcd-general] " Jennie Haywood
2002-11-04 14:45 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-11-04 15:29 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-04 15:27 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-11-04 15:38 ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-04 16:51 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-11-05 4:57 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-10-31 18:50 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-31 21:33 ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-01 1:19 ` [lkcd-devel] " Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-01 2:59 ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-31 18:15 ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-31 19:58 ` Bernhard Kaindl
2002-11-02 0:49 ` What's left over. - Dave's crash code supports a gdb interface for LKCD crash dumps Piet Delaney
2002-10-31 18:16 ` What's left over Oliver Xymoron
2002-10-31 18:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 18:49 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-31 21:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-31 22:37 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-05 11:42 ` [lkcd-devel] " Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-11-05 18:00 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-05 18:36 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-05 19:19 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-05 20:10 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-05 23:25 ` Werner Almesberger [this message]
2002-11-06 0:21 ` Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-06 1:10 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-06 1:37 ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-06 2:05 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-07 6:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-07 12:17 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-06 4:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-06 4:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-06 19:24 ` Rob Landley
2002-11-10 18:35 ` Pavel Machek
2002-11-06 2:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-06 4:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-06 6:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-06 6:38 ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-11-06 7:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-06 9:11 ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-11-06 22:05 ` Michal Jaegermann
2002-11-06 16:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-07 8:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-07 15:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-09 23:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-09 23:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-10 1:37 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10 2:12 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-10 2:16 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10 3:03 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-10 3:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10 14:30 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-10 16:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10 3:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-10 4:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10 18:07 ` Kexec 2.5.46-b6 Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-11 18:03 ` [lkcd-devel] Re: What's left over Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-11 18:15 ` Kexec for v2.5.47 Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-11 22:52 ` Kexec for v2.5.47 (test feedback) Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-12 7:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-13 0:48 ` Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-13 4:16 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-13 13:26 ` Kexec for v2.5.47-bk2 Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-15 9:24 ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-11-15 14:14 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-15 14:37 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-20 9:44 ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-11-20 17:28 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-18 0:07 ` [ANNOUNCE] kexec-tools-1.6 released Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-18 5:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-18 8:53 ` [ANNOUNCE][CFT] kexec for v2.5.48 && kexec-tools-1.7 Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19 1:10 ` [ANNOUNCE][CFT] kexec for v2.5.48 && kexec-tools-1.7 -- Success Story! Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-19 10:25 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19 17:21 ` Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-19 17:34 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19 18:17 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-11-20 9:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19 19:29 ` Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-20 8:49 ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-11-20 9:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-20 11:59 ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-11-20 15:05 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-20 16:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19 2:15 ` [ANNOUNCE][CFT] kexec for v2.5.48 && kexec-tools-1.7 Dave Hansen
2002-11-19 10:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19 15:28 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-11-19 17:44 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19 16:24 ` Dave Hansen
2002-11-19 17:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-19 17:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19 17:54 ` Dave Jones
2002-11-19 17:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-12-02 4:41 ` [ANNOUNCE] kexec-tools-1.8 Eric W. Biederman
2002-12-03 2:30 ` Dave Hansen
2002-12-03 7:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-12-13 2:00 ` Dave Hansen
2002-12-02 15:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-09 23:39 ` [lkcd-devel] Re: What's left over Randy.Dunlap
2002-11-10 2:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10 14:35 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-10 18:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10 1:31 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-10 3:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10 3:30 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-10 3:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10 3:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-10 2:08 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-10 2:18 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10 14:31 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-07 15:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-07 19:32 ` kexec (was: [lkcd-devel] Re: What's left over.) Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-07 22:13 ` Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-07 22:56 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-11 17:03 ` Bill Davidsen
[not found] ` <200211080536.31287.landley@trommello.org>
2002-11-11 17:58 ` Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-11 18:25 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-08 18:01 ` [lkcd-devel] Re: What's left over Alan Cox
2002-11-09 21:21 ` Pavel Machek
2002-11-11 16:27 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-01 1:35 ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-01 2:06 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-11-01 3:46 ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-01 4:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-01 4:57 ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-01 9:18 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-11-01 14:55 ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-01 15:16 ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-01 15:27 ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-01 16:16 ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-01 16:32 ` Larry McVoy
2002-11-01 16:44 ` Linux without Linus was " Brian Jackson
2002-11-01 16:58 ` Paul Fulghum
2002-11-01 19:14 ` Shawn
2002-11-01 19:36 ` Shawn
2002-11-01 17:56 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-11-01 18:23 ` Shane R. Stixrud
2002-11-01 19:18 ` John Alvord
2002-11-04 2:13 ` Rob Landley
2002-11-04 14:58 ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-04 12:59 ` Rob Landley
2002-11-01 15:32 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-11-01 13:30 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-01 22:28 ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-01 6:27 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-01 6:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-01 7:00 ` [lkcd-devel] " Castor Fu
2002-11-01 8:23 ` Craig I. Hagan
2002-11-01 14:03 ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-02 4:57 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-01 13:28 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-02 5:00 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-02 15:30 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-02 18:55 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-11-02 19:19 ` romieu
2002-11-02 19:21 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-11-02 19:32 ` romieu
2002-11-02 19:42 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-11-02 20:23 ` romieu
2002-11-02 20:31 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-02 20:12 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-11-01 9:20 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-11-01 13:29 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-31 22:20 ` Shawn
2002-10-31 23:14 ` [lkcd-general] " Bernhard Kaindl
2002-11-01 2:01 ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-02 10:36 ` Brad Hards
2002-11-02 19:28 ` [lkcd-devel] " Matt D. Robinson
2002-10-31 17:55 ` [lkcd-general] " Dave Craft
2002-10-31 18:45 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-10-31 19:16 ` Stephen Hemminger
2002-10-31 19:57 ` george anzinger
2002-10-31 20:48 ` Stephen Hemminger
2002-10-31 19:33 ` [lkcd-devel] " Castor Fu
2002-10-31 7:46 ` Ville Herva
2002-10-31 9:23 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-10-31 9:39 ` Ville Herva
2002-10-31 10:16 ` Trever L. Adams
2002-10-31 18:08 ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-31 13:36 ` mbs
2002-10-31 14:21 ` Chris Friesen
2002-10-31 14:52 ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-10-31 16:37 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-11-01 0:52 ` James Simmons
2002-11-01 10:24 ` What's left over. (Fbdev rewrite) Helge Hafting
2002-11-05 17:29 ` kexec (was: Re: What's left over.) Werner Almesberger
2002-11-05 18:10 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-11-05 19:06 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-31 18:17 [lkcd-devel] Re: What's left over Deepak Kumar Gupta, Noida
2002-10-31 20:22 Andreas Herrmann
2002-10-31 20:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 20:54 ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-10-31 21:08 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-31 22:04 ` Bernhard Kaindl
2002-11-01 0:33 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-10-31 22:47 Richard J Moore
2002-10-31 23:39 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-05 12:45 ` Suparna Bhattacharya
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