From: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: torvalds@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
benh@kernel.crashing.org, akpm@osdl.org,
segher@kernel.crashing.org
Subject: Re: Opinion on ordering of writel vs. stores to RAM
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:16:20 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <17666.41604.944078.556991@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060909.023405.71099525.davem@davemloft.net>
David Miller writes:
> From: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 13:02:27 +1000
>
> > I suspect the best thing at this point is to move the sync in writeX()
> > before the store, as you suggest, and add an "eieio" before the load
> > in readX(). That does mean that we are then relying on driver writers
> > putting in the mmiowb() between a writeX() and a spin_unlock, but at
> > least that is documented.
>
> I think not matching what PC systems do is, at least from one
> perspective, a very bad engineering decision for 2 reasons.
Well, I believe that my suggestion *does* match what PC systems do.
It will mean that writes to memory are ordered with respect to
following MMIO writes. MMIO writes aren't ordered with respect to
following stores to memory, but then nobody sane expects that if you
do a writel() then a store to memory, the writel will hit the device
before the store hits memory; even PC systems do PCI write posting.
As for the writel followed by spin_unlock thing, Ben and I have an
idea for some debug code that will detect at runtime if someone does a
writel followed by a spin_unlock without a readl, spin_lock or mmiowb
in between.
The main question I'm trying to decide at the moment is whether to
make the change for 2.6.18 or not... If not then I'd like to get the
wmb() into tg3.c temporarily to fix that particular data corruption
problem.
Paul.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-09-09 11:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-09-09 2:03 Paul Mackerras
2006-09-09 2:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-09 3:02 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-09-09 3:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-09 7:24 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-09 9:34 ` David Miller
2006-09-09 9:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-09-09 10:08 ` David Miller
2006-09-10 17:18 ` Jesse Barnes
2006-09-10 19:35 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-10 21:25 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-10 22:23 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-10 22:18 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-11 13:19 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-10 23:35 ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-11 0:12 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-11 0:34 ` Jesse Barnes
2006-09-11 1:04 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-11 1:13 ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-11 1:35 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-11 9:02 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-11 9:23 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-11 0:25 ` Jesse Barnes
2006-09-11 0:54 ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-11 1:10 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-11 1:48 ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-11 3:53 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-11 18:12 ` Jesse Barnes
2006-09-11 1:00 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-11 18:08 ` Jesse Barnes
2006-09-11 21:32 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-10 20:01 ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-11 13:21 ` David Miller
2006-09-11 14:17 ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-12 0:32 ` David Miller
2006-09-12 0:49 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-12 16:47 ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-12 0:54 ` Roland Dreier
2006-09-09 11:16 ` Paul Mackerras [this message]
2006-09-09 7:23 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-09 9:38 ` David Miller
2006-09-09 15:09 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-10 17:19 ` Jesse Barnes
2006-09-10 17:35 ` Michael Buesch
2006-09-10 17:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-10 18:02 ` Michael Buesch
2006-09-09 15:08 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-09 18:34 ` Auke Kok
2006-09-09 19:10 ` Patrick McFarland
2006-09-09 15:06 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-11 5:03 Michael Chan
2006-09-11 5:21 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-12 4:30 Albert Cahalan
2006-09-12 5:30 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-12 6:04 ` Albert Cahalan
2006-09-12 6:12 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-12 7:09 ` Albert Cahalan
2006-09-12 7:17 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-12 7:21 ` Albert Cahalan
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