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From: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Jan Glauber <jang@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [accounting regression since rc1]  scheduler updates
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:48:16 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <18122.46304.556919.568565@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070821093434.GB12025@elte.hu>

Ingo Molnar writes:

> my feeling is that it gives us generally higher-quality scheduling if we 
> drive all things scheduler via virtual time. Do you agree with that?

On PowerPC at least, while we can measure virtual time, there is no
hardware facility for getting an interrupt after a certain amount of
virtual time has elapsed, but there is a facility to get an interrupt
after an elapsed real-time interval.  So sched_clock() could easily
change to measure virtual time, but I don't see how to make
scheduler_tick() be driven off virtual time.  It sounds like s390 is
the same.

> it seems you'd like accounting to be sensitive to 'external load' - i.e. 
> you'd like an 'internal' top to show the 'real' CPU accounting, right? 
> 
> Wouldnt it be more consistent if a virtual box would not show any 
> dependency on external load? (i.e. it would slow down all of its 
> internal functionality transparently, without exposing it via /proc. The 

The tools that use the data in /proc get unhappy if user time + system
time + hardirq time + softirq time + idle time + stolen time doesn't
add up to real time.  The way we handle that is by making stolen time
represent the time taken away by the hypervisor (and on PowerPC with
SMT, the time taken by the other thread too).

Paul.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-21  9:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-12 16:32 [git pull request] " Ingo Molnar
2007-08-14  8:37 ` [accounting regression since rc1] " Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-16  8:17   ` [PATCH][RFC] Re: accounting regression since rc1 Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-20 15:45   ` [accounting regression since rc1] scheduler updates Ingo Molnar
2007-08-20 17:03     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-08-20 18:08       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-20 18:33         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-08-20 19:00           ` Balbir Singh
2007-08-20 19:05           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21  7:20             ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-20 19:12           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21  7:00           ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-21  9:18             ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-08-20 23:07         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-21  2:18         ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-21  7:09           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21 10:07             ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-21 10:20               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21 11:15                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-21 11:20                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21  8:17     ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-21  8:42       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21  9:11         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-08-21  9:34           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21  9:48             ` Paul Mackerras [this message]
2007-08-21 10:38             ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-08-21 11:36               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21 11:58                 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-08-21 10:39             ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-21 10:43             ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-21 11:15               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21 11:24                 ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-21 11:30                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21 11:58                     ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-21 12:21                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21 12:57                         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-08-21 11:25       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-22  7:50         ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-22  7:59           ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found] ` <200708141032.47235.borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
     [not found]   ` <alpine.LFD.0.999.0708140835240.30176@woody.linux-foundation.org>
2007-08-14 18:19     ` Christian Borntraeger

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