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From: Thomas Renninger <trenn@suse.de>
To: "Yu, Fenghua" <fenghua.yu@intel.com>
Cc: Tang Chen <tangchen@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	Yinghai Lu <yinghai@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Early microcode signing in secure boot environment -  Was: x86, microcode: Use common get_ramdisk_image()
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:59:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <195101369.cgl3lvkTHk@skinner.arch.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3E5A0FA7E9CA944F9D5414FEC6C712205594C20D@ORSMSX105.amr.corp.intel.com>

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 08:28:37 AM Yu, Fenghua wrote:
> > From: Thomas Renninger [mailto:trenn@suse.de]
...
> > Does this apply to secure boot specification?
> 
> Secure boot can add another level of security because the early loaded
> microcode is part of initrd and initrd is measured by secure boot.
Not sure what is ment with "initrd is measured by secure boot".

Afaik the initrd does not get signed and verified, I cannot imagine how
that could work as it needs to get regenerated on client systems.

I expect it works like this:
initrd does not need signing as it is not executed itself, it only gets 
extracted.
Everything inside the initrd is subject to the secure boot rules:
binaries or whatever data which gets executed with kernel
privileges (or updates firmware) needs verification through
secure boot keys.

> > Is this "cryptographically authenticated by the CPU itself" thing
> > documented
> > somewhere so that security people can double check that it is really
> > secure?
> 
> X86 SDM defines that the second part of microcode update is the encrypted
> data.

Again, I doubt it is allowed to bypass UEFI authentication with arbitrary, 
vendor specific authentication checks.

      Thomas

  reply	other threads:[~2013-04-11  8:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-04 23:46 [PATCH v3 00/22] x86, ACPI, numa: Parse numa info early Yinghai Lu
2013-04-04 23:46 ` [PATCH v3 01/22] x86: Change get_ramdisk_image() to global Yinghai Lu
2013-04-04 23:46 ` [PATCH v3 02/22] x86, microcode: Use common get_ramdisk_image() Yinghai Lu
2013-04-10  5:34   ` Tang Chen
2013-04-10  7:40     ` Early microcode signing in secure boot environment - Was: " Thomas Renninger
2013-04-10 17:47       ` Yu, Fenghua
2013-04-11  7:31         ` Thomas Renninger
2013-04-11  8:28           ` Yu, Fenghua
2013-04-11  8:59             ` Thomas Renninger [this message]
2013-04-11 22:51               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-10 16:13     ` [PATCH v3 02/22] " Yinghai Lu
2013-04-04 23:46 ` [PATCH v3 03/22] x86, ACPI, mm: Kill max_low_pfn_mapped Yinghai Lu
2013-04-04 23:46 ` [PATCH v3 04/22] x86, ACPI: Search buffer above 4G in second try for acpi override tables Yinghai Lu
2013-04-04 23:46 ` [PATCH v3 05/22] x86, ACPI: Increase override tables number limit Yinghai Lu
2013-04-04 23:46 ` [PATCH v3 06/22] x86, ACPI: Split acpi_initrd_override to find/copy two functions Yinghai Lu
2013-04-04 23:46 ` [PATCH v3 07/22] x86, ACPI: Store override acpi tables phys addr in cpio files info array Yinghai Lu
2013-04-04 23:46 ` [PATCH v3 08/22] x86, ACPI: Make acpi_initrd_override_find work with 32bit flat mode Yinghai Lu
2013-04-04 23:46 ` [PATCH v3 09/22] x86, ACPI: Find acpi tables in initrd early from head_32.S/head64.c Yinghai Lu
2013-04-04 23:46 ` [PATCH v3 10/22] x86, mm, numa: Move two functions calling on successful path later Yinghai Lu
2013-04-04 23:46 ` [PATCH v3 11/22] x86, mm, numa: Call numa_meminfo_cover_memory() checking early Yinghai Lu
2013-04-04 23:46 ` [PATCH v3 12/22] x86, mm, numa: Move node_map_pfn alignment() to x86 Yinghai Lu
2013-04-04 23:46 ` [PATCH v3 13/22] x86, mm, numa: Use numa_meminfo to check node_map_pfn alignment Yinghai Lu
2013-04-04 23:46 ` [PATCH v3 14/22] x86, mm, numa: Set memblock nid later Yinghai Lu
2013-04-04 23:46 ` [PATCH v3 15/22] x86, mm, numa: Move node_possible_map setting later Yinghai Lu
2013-04-04 23:46 ` [PATCH v3 16/22] x86, mm, numa: Move emulation handling down Yinghai Lu
2013-04-04 23:46 ` [PATCH v3 17/22] x86, ACPI, numa, ia64: split SLIT handling out Yinghai Lu
2013-04-05 21:54   ` Tony Luck
2013-04-05 22:16     ` Yinghai Lu
2013-04-04 23:46 ` [PATCH v3 18/22] x86, mm, numa: Add early_initmem_init() stub Yinghai Lu
2013-04-04 23:46 ` [PATCH v3 19/22] x86, mm: Parse numa info early Yinghai Lu
2013-04-04 23:46 ` [PATCH v3 20/22] x86, mm: Add comments for step_size shift Yinghai Lu
2013-04-04 23:46 ` [PATCH v3 21/22] x86, mm: Make init_mem_mapping be able to be called several times Yinghai Lu
2013-04-05 13:38   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-04-04 23:46 ` [PATCH v3 22/22] x86, mm, numa: Put pagetable on local node ram for 64bit Yinghai Lu
2013-04-05  2:28 ` [PATCH v3 00/22] x86, ACPI, numa: Parse numa info early Thomas Renninger
2013-04-05  3:09   ` Yinghai Lu
2013-04-05 10:44     ` Thomas Renninger
2013-04-05 16:36     ` Thomas Renninger
2013-04-05 18:10       ` Yinghai Lu
2013-04-11 22:53 ` H. Peter Anvin

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