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From: Stephan Mueller <smueller@chronox.de>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@linux.intel.com>
Cc: herbert@gondor.apana.org.au, Ted Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	sandyinchina@gmail.com,
	Jason Cooper <cryptography@lakedaemon.net>,
	John Denker <jsd@av8n.com>, Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, George Spelvin <linux@horizon.com>,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 0/5] /dev/random - a new approach
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 07:21:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1951611.sxsEZ06mGE@tauon.atsec.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2f43d23f-5fbe-9653-fc1c-489db1c7bde4@linux.intel.com>

Am Dienstag, 16. August 2016, 15:28:45 CEST schrieb H. Peter Anvin:

Hi Peter,

> > 
> > There are two motivations for that:
> > 
> > - the current /dev/random is compliant to NTG.1 from AIS 20/31 which
> > requires (in brief words) that entropy comes from auditible noise
> > sources. Currently in my LRNG only RDRAND is a fast noise source which is
> > not auditible (and it is designed to cause a VM exit making it even
> > harder to assess it). To make the LRNG to comply with NTG.1, RDRAND can
> > provide entropy but must not become the sole entropy provider which is
> > the case now with that change.
> > 
> > - the current /dev/random implementation follows the same concept with the
> > exception of 3.15 and 3.16 where RDRAND was not rate-limited. In later
> > versions, this was changed.
> 
> I'm not saying it should be *sole*.  I am questioning the value in
> limiting it, as it seems to me that it could only ever produce a worse
> result.

It is not about the limiting of the data. It is all about the entropy estimate 
for those noise sources and how they affect the entropy estimator behind /dev/
random. If that fast noise source injects large amount of data but does not 
increase the entropy estimator, it is of no concern.

Ciao
Stephan

      parent reply	other threads:[~2016-08-17  5:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-11 12:24 Stephan Mueller
2016-08-11 12:24 ` [PATCH v6 1/5] crypto: DRBG - externalize DRBG functions for LRNG Stephan Mueller
2016-08-11 12:25 ` [PATCH v6 2/5] random: conditionally compile code depending on LRNG Stephan Mueller
2016-08-11 12:25 ` [PATCH v6 3/5] crypto: Linux Random Number Generator Stephan Mueller
2016-08-11 12:26 ` [PATCH v6 4/5] crypto: LRNG - enable compile Stephan Mueller
2016-08-11 13:50   ` kbuild test robot
2016-08-11 14:03     ` Stephan Mueller
2016-08-11 12:26 ` [PATCH v6 5/5] crypto: LRNG - add ChaCha20 support Stephan Mueller
2016-08-11 21:36 ` [PATCH v6 0/5] /dev/random - a new approach Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-12  9:34   ` Stephan Mueller
2016-08-12 19:22     ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-15  6:13       ` Stephan Mueller
2016-08-15 15:00         ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-17 21:42   ` Pavel Machek
2016-08-18 17:27     ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-18 18:39       ` Pavel Machek
2016-08-19  2:49         ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-19  5:56           ` Herbert Xu
2016-08-19 17:20             ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-08-21  3:14               ` Herbert Xu
2016-08-19  7:48           ` Pavel Machek
2016-08-15 20:42 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-08-16  5:45   ` Stephan Mueller
2016-08-16 22:28     ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-08-16 22:49       ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-08-17  5:21       ` Stephan Mueller [this message]

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