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From: Stephan Mueller <smueller@chronox.de>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@linux.intel.com>
Cc: herbert@gondor.apana.org.au, Ted Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	sandyinchina@gmail.com,
	Jason Cooper <cryptography@lakedaemon.net>,
	John Denker <jsd@av8n.com>, Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, George Spelvin <linux@horizon.com>,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 0/5] /dev/random - a new approach
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 07:45:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2672856.NsbgmUcCJx@tauon.atsec.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2c3286c8-7150-12db-937d-b6407d50d748@linux.intel.com>

Am Montag, 15. August 2016, 13:42:54 CEST schrieb H. Peter Anvin:

Hi H,

> On 08/11/16 05:24, Stephan Mueller wrote:
> > * prevent fast noise sources from dominating slow noise sources
> > 
> >   in case of /dev/random
> 
> Can someone please explain if and why this is actually desirable, and if
> this assessment has been passed to someone who has actual experience
> with cryptography at the professional level?

There are two motivations for that:

- the current /dev/random is compliant to NTG.1 from AIS 20/31 which requires 
(in brief words) that entropy comes from auditible noise sources. Currently in 
my LRNG only RDRAND is a fast noise source which is not auditible (and it is 
designed to cause a VM exit making it even harder to assess it). To make the 
LRNG to comply with NTG.1, RDRAND can provide entropy but must not become the 
sole entropy provider which is the case now with that change.

- the current /dev/random implementation follows the same concept with the 
exception of 3.15 and 3.16 where RDRAND was not rate-limited. In later 
versions, this was changed.

Ciao
Stephan

  reply	other threads:[~2016-08-16  5:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-11 12:24 Stephan Mueller
2016-08-11 12:24 ` [PATCH v6 1/5] crypto: DRBG - externalize DRBG functions for LRNG Stephan Mueller
2016-08-11 12:25 ` [PATCH v6 2/5] random: conditionally compile code depending on LRNG Stephan Mueller
2016-08-11 12:25 ` [PATCH v6 3/5] crypto: Linux Random Number Generator Stephan Mueller
2016-08-11 12:26 ` [PATCH v6 4/5] crypto: LRNG - enable compile Stephan Mueller
2016-08-11 13:50   ` kbuild test robot
2016-08-11 14:03     ` Stephan Mueller
2016-08-11 12:26 ` [PATCH v6 5/5] crypto: LRNG - add ChaCha20 support Stephan Mueller
2016-08-11 21:36 ` [PATCH v6 0/5] /dev/random - a new approach Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-12  9:34   ` Stephan Mueller
2016-08-12 19:22     ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-15  6:13       ` Stephan Mueller
2016-08-15 15:00         ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-17 21:42   ` Pavel Machek
2016-08-18 17:27     ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-18 18:39       ` Pavel Machek
2016-08-19  2:49         ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-19  5:56           ` Herbert Xu
2016-08-19 17:20             ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-08-21  3:14               ` Herbert Xu
2016-08-19  7:48           ` Pavel Machek
2016-08-15 20:42 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-08-16  5:45   ` Stephan Mueller [this message]
2016-08-16 22:28     ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-08-16 22:49       ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-08-17  5:21       ` Stephan Mueller

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