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From: Song Liu <songliubraving@meta.com>
To: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Song Liu <song@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC] vfs: security: Parse dev_name before calling security_sb_mount
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2025 17:06:36 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1959367A-15AB-4332-B1BC-7BBCCA646636@meta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHC9VhSS1O+Cp7UJoJnWNbv-Towia72DitOPH0zmKCa4PBttkw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Al and Paul, 

Thanks for your comments!

> On Jul 9, 2025, at 8:19 AM, Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2025 at 6:24 AM Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 08, 2025 at 04:05:04PM -0700, Song Liu wrote:
>>> security_sb_mount handles multiple types of mounts: new mount, bind
>>> mount, etc. When parameter dev_name is a path, it need to be parsed
>>> with kern_path.
> 
> ...
> 
>> security_sb_mount() is and had always been a mind-boggling trash of an API.
>> 
>> It makes no sense in terms of operations being requested.  And any questions
>> regarding its semantics had been consistently met with blanket "piss off,
>> LSM gets to do whatever it wants to do, you are not to question the sanity
>> and you are not to request any kind of rules - give us the fucking syscall
>> arguments and let us at it".
> 
> I'm not going to comment on past remarks made by other devs, but I do
> want to make it clear that I am interested in making sure we have LSM
> hooks which satisfy both the needs of the existing in-tree LSMs while
> also presenting a sane API to the kernel subsystems in which they are
> placed.  I'm happy to revisit any of our existing LSM hooks to
> restructure them to better fit these goals; simply send some patches
> and let's discuss them.
> 
>> Come up with a saner API.  We are done accomodating that idiocy.  The only
>> changes you get to make in fs/namespace.c are "here's our better-defined
>> hooks, please call <this hook> when you do <that>".

Right now, we have security_sb_mount and security_move_mount, for 
syscall “mount” and “move_mount” respectively. This is confusing 
because we can also do move mount with syscall “mount”. How about 
we create 5 different security hooks:

security_bind_mount
security_new_mount
security_reconfigure_mount
security_remount
security_change_type_mount

and remove security_sb_mount. After this, we will have 6 hooks for
each type of mount (the 5 above plus security_move_mount). 

> 
> I don't have the cycles to revisit the security_sb_mount() hook
> myself, but perhaps Song Liu does with some suggestions/guidance from
> you or Christian on what an improved LSM hook would look like from a
> VFS perspective.

Thanks,
Song



  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-09 17:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-08 23:05 Song Liu
2025-07-09 10:24 ` Al Viro
2025-07-09 15:19   ` Paul Moore
2025-07-09 17:06     ` Song Liu [this message]
2025-07-10 11:46       ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-10 17:00         ` Song Liu
2025-07-11  9:36           ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-11 16:22             ` Song Liu
2025-07-14  8:45               ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-14 15:10                 ` Song Liu
2025-07-15 10:18                   ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-15 22:31                     ` Song Liu
2025-07-16  8:31                       ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-16 17:12                         ` Song Liu
2025-07-11 23:09             ` Song Liu
2025-07-10 21:40         ` Paul Moore

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