From: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
To: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, iommu@lists.linux.dev,
hch@infradead.org, m.szyprowski@samsung.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] swiotlb: fix a typo
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 09:02:35 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <19a47bae-91ff-648c-c407-759468b8af6a@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Yw7iFQGpStC6YodP@gao-cwp>
On 2022-08-31 05:22, Chao Gao wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 10:23:51AM +0100, Robin Murphy wrote:
>> On 2022-08-26 10:50, Chao Gao wrote:
>>> "overwirte" isn't a word. It should be "overwrite".
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>
>>> ---
>>> BTW, I am wondering if copying the original buffer to the tlb buffer
>>> unconditionally will leak the original buffer to the VMM, especially
>>> when VMM isn't trusted e.g., by confidential VMs. Would it be better
>>> to zero the tlb buffer for dir == DMA_FROM_DEVICE?
>>
>> No, at the point of dma_map(), the buffer contents are owned by the caller,
>> so if parts of that buffer are sensitive and shouldn't be exposed to DMA,
>> then don't map the whole buffer for DMA. There are more DMA API
>> implementations than SWIOTLB.
>>
>
> I am not sure if all existing drivers ensure that all buffers allocated
> for DMA_FROM_DEVICE are zeroed/poisoned so that they don't have sensitive
> data before dma_map(). If that isn't the case, bouncing the original contents
> (left by the previous user of the buffer) effectively makes the contents
> visible to host/VMM. I am afraid it may be a concern for confidential VMs.
Sure, and in a scheme where pages can be dynamically shared in-place
instead of using SWIOTLB to bounce through a pre-shared buffer, then
those same drivers will still expose the same stale data. Similarly, a
driver could massively over-map with DMA_TO_DEVICE or DMA_BIDIRECTIONAL
and expose all manner of potential secrets that way. It's a concern that
cannot be addressed at the DMA API level. Anyone who wants to completely
trust drivers not to do anything stupid in a confidential compute
scenario is going to have to audit and possibly fix those drivers.
Robin.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-08-31 8:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-08-26 9:50 Chao Gao
2022-08-30 9:23 ` Robin Murphy
2022-08-31 4:22 ` Chao Gao
2022-08-31 8:02 ` Robin Murphy [this message]
2022-09-07 8:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
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