[ANNOUNCE] Linux-NTFS project, first public release

[ANNOUNCE] Linux-NTFS project, first public release

[Anton Altaparmakov]

This is to announce the first public release of the Linux-NTFS project 
hosted on sourceforge. The project page, where you can download the source 
code tar ball or rpm as well as precompiled RPMs for RedHat Linux 7.0 (i386 
architecture only), is:
         http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-ntfs/
You can also use the CVS server if you prefer...
Note, that you need the kernel headers installed to compile linux-ntfs 
source (probably you will need 2.4.x kernel headers and not 2.2.x ones but 
I haven't actually checked whether it works with 2.2.x or not).

The first release contains the all new and wonderful ntfsfix utility, which 
repairs some of the damage that the current Linux NTFS driver does when 
writing to an NTFS partition.

If you are doing any writing to NTFS partitions using the Linux NTFS driver 
this is an absolute *MUST* at the present time. It won't solve all 
problems, but it goes quite some way to prevent data corruption.

Run it after dismounting your NTFS partition in Linux but before rebooting 
into Windows NT/2000.

Note, after running the utility, when Windows boots up it will run an 
automatic chkdsk on the partition which will finish fixing the damage done 
by the Linux NTFS driver without corrupting the written data or any other 
data (as long as the Linux NTFS driver hasn't corrupted something beyond 
repair, obviously).

For amusement value, the first release also includes the ntfsdump_logfile 
utility which when used on an NTFS partition will display information about 
the journal ($LogFile) of that partition.

Finally both these utilities make use of the also included NTFS library 
which offer NTFS access to open source programs. It is currently under 
heavy development and the API is not going to remain as it is so don't use 
it yet for your own programs.

For everyone interested in NTFS on-disk structures and functionality, you 
will find the doc directory and especially the include directory to be of 
great interest as the later includes header files with all known to me NTFS 
structures. I still haven't gone through all the NTFS information that is 
available so they are considered work in progress but are fairly complete I 
thing. Most people will probably find that the $LogFile structures have 
never been published before anywhere and now we have the restart area 
structure definitions.

Any problems compiling/running the utilities, just give me a shout, or even 
better submit bug reports on the project page!

Enjoy!

Anton


-- 
"Intelligence is the ability to avoid doing work, yet get the work done". - 
Linus Torvalds
-- 
Anton Altaparmakov <aia21 at cam.ac.uk> (replace at with @)
Linux NTFS Maintainer / WWW: http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-ntfs/
ICQ: 8561279 / WWW: http://www-stu.christs.cam.ac.uk/~aia21/

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Linux-NTFS project, first public release

[lists]

Thank goodness, it's about time.  :-)

On Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 07:08:44PM +0000, Anton Altaparmakov wrote:
> This is to announce the first public release of the Linux-NTFS project 
> hosted on sourceforge. The project page, where you can download the source 
> code tar ball or rpm as well as precompiled RPMs for RedHat Linux 7.0 (i386 
> architecture only), is:
>          http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-ntfs/
> You can also use the CVS server if you prefer...
> Note, that you need the kernel headers installed to compile linux-ntfs 
> source (probably you will need 2.4.x kernel headers and not 2.2.x ones but 
> I haven't actually checked whether it works with 2.2.x or not).
> 
> The first release contains the all new and wonderful ntfsfix utility, which 
> repairs some of the damage that the current Linux NTFS driver does when 
> writing to an NTFS partition.
> 
> If you are doing any writing to NTFS partitions using the Linux NTFS driver 
> this is an absolute *MUST* at the present time. It won't solve all 
> problems, but it goes quite some way to prevent data corruption.
> 
> Run it after dismounting your NTFS partition in Linux but before rebooting 
> into Windows NT/2000.
> 
> Note, after running the utility, when Windows boots up it will run an 
> automatic chkdsk on the partition which will finish fixing the damage done 
> by the Linux NTFS driver without corrupting the written data or any other 
> data (as long as the Linux NTFS driver hasn't corrupted something beyond 
> repair, obviously).
> 
> For amusement value, the first release also includes the ntfsdump_logfile 
> utility which when used on an NTFS partition will display information about 
> the journal ($LogFile) of that partition.
> 
> Finally both these utilities make use of the also included NTFS library 
> which offer NTFS access to open source programs. It is currently under 
> heavy development and the API is not going to remain as it is so don't use 
> it yet for your own programs.
> 
> For everyone interested in NTFS on-disk structures and functionality, you 
> will find the doc directory and especially the include directory to be of 
> great interest as the later includes header files with all known to me NTFS 
> structures. I still haven't gone through all the NTFS information that is 
> available so they are considered work in progress but are fairly complete I 
> thing. Most people will probably find that the $LogFile structures have 
> never been published before anywhere and now we have the restart area 
> structure definitions.
> 
> Any problems compiling/running the utilities, just give me a shout, or even 
> better submit bug reports on the project page!
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Anton
> 
> 
> -- 
> "Intelligence is the ability to avoid doing work, yet get the work done". - 
> Linus Torvalds
> -- 
> Anton Altaparmakov <aia21 at cam.ac.uk> (replace at with @)
> Linux NTFS Maintainer / WWW: http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-ntfs/
> ICQ: 8561279 / WWW: http://www-stu.christs.cam.ac.uk/~aia21/
> 
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Linux-NTFS project, first public release

[Anton Altaparmakov]

At 01:16 04/02/2001, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
>To date, I have provided tools to 7,000+ folks who use this driver that
>trash their NTFS partitions.  TRG will discontinue distribution of these
>tools at this point since Anton has a Linux based version.
>
>Please do not email me for any more NT based repair tools for damaged
>NTFS partitions trashed by Linux.  Please contact Andre and use his

You probably meant Anton in the sentence above...

>tools instead.  I will inform Microsoft I will no longer be providing
>these tools since Anton now has something that will do the job.

The NTFS disk edit utility you were providing does quite a lot more since 
it is interactive. And my utility doesn't do everything I would like it to 
do yet but it does work so I wanted to push a release out of the door ASAP. 
But it doesn't really matter. The NTFS disk editor is a relatively freely 
available utility as I found out recently, anyways. It is present on the 
Windows NT4 Service Pack 4 CD! It's not mentioned anywhere in the 
documentation but it sure is there among the service pack files. I managed 
to dig the out in our College computer office and it's now officially mine. 
That has the advantage of not binding you to the license of only using it 
for repairing NTFS partitions... (-:

Best regards,

Anton


-- 
Anton Altaparmakov <aia21 at cam.ac.uk> (replace at with @)
Linux NTFS Maintainer / WWW: http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-ntfs/
ICQ: 8561279 / WWW: http://www-stu.christs.cam.ac.uk/~aia21/

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Linux-NTFS project, first public release

[Jeff V. Merkey]

On Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 06:14:33PM -0600, lists@frednet.dyndns.org wrote:
> 
> Thank goodness, it's about time.  :-)
> 


Amen.  

Jeff

> On Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 07:08:44PM +0000, Anton Altaparmakov wrote:
> > This is to announce the first public release of the Linux-NTFS project 
> > hosted on sourceforge. The project page, where you can download the source 
> > code tar ball or rpm as well as precompiled RPMs for RedHat Linux 7.0 (i386 
> > architecture only), is:
> >          http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-ntfs/
> > You can also use the CVS server if you prefer...
> > Note, that you need the kernel headers installed to compile linux-ntfs 
> > source (probably you will need 2.4.x kernel headers and not 2.2.x ones but 
> > I haven't actually checked whether it works with 2.2.x or not).
> > 
> > The first release contains the all new and wonderful ntfsfix utility, which 
> > repairs some of the damage that the current Linux NTFS driver does when 
> > writing to an NTFS partition.
> > 
> > If you are doing any writing to NTFS partitions using the Linux NTFS driver 
> > this is an absolute *MUST* at the present time. It won't solve all 
> > problems, but it goes quite some way to prevent data corruption.
> > 
> > Run it after dismounting your NTFS partition in Linux but before rebooting 
> > into Windows NT/2000.
> > 
> > Note, after running the utility, when Windows boots up it will run an 
> > automatic chkdsk on the partition which will finish fixing the damage done 
> > by the Linux NTFS driver without corrupting the written data or any other 
> > data (as long as the Linux NTFS driver hasn't corrupted something beyond 
> > repair, obviously).
> > 
> > For amusement value, the first release also includes the ntfsdump_logfile 
> > utility which when used on an NTFS partition will display information about 
> > the journal ($LogFile) of that partition.
> > 
> > Finally both these utilities make use of the also included NTFS library 
> > which offer NTFS access to open source programs. It is currently under 
> > heavy development and the API is not going to remain as it is so don't use 
> > it yet for your own programs.
> > 
> > For everyone interested in NTFS on-disk structures and functionality, you 
> > will find the doc directory and especially the include directory to be of 
> > great interest as the later includes header files with all known to me NTFS 
> > structures. I still haven't gone through all the NTFS information that is 
> > available so they are considered work in progress but are fairly complete I 
> > thing. Most people will probably find that the $LogFile structures have 
> > never been published before anywhere and now we have the restart area 
> > structure definitions.
> > 
> > Any problems compiling/running the utilities, just give me a shout, or even 
> > better submit bug reports on the project page!
> > 
> > Enjoy!
> > 
> > Anton
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > "Intelligence is the ability to avoid doing work, yet get the work done". - 
> > Linus Torvalds
> > -- 
> > Anton Altaparmakov <aia21 at cam.ac.uk> (replace at with @)
> > Linux NTFS Maintainer / WWW: http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-ntfs/
> > ICQ: 8561279 / WWW: http://www-stu.christs.cam.ac.uk/~aia21/
> > 
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Linux-NTFS project, first public release

[Jeff V. Merkey]

On Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 06:14:33PM -0600, lists@frednet.dyndns.org wrote:
> 
> Thank goodness, it's about time.  :-)


To date, I have provided tools to 7,000+ folks who use this driver that
trash their NTFS partitions.  TRG will discontinue distribution of these 
tools at this point since Anton has a Linux based version.  

Please do not email me for any more NT based repair tools for damaged
NTFS partitions trashed by Linux.  Please contact Andre and use his 
tools instead.  I will inform Microsoft I will no longer be providing 
these tools since Anton now has something that will do the job.

:-)

Jeff

> 
> On Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 07:08:44PM +0000, Anton Altaparmakov wrote:
> > This is to announce the first public release of the Linux-NTFS project 
> > hosted on sourceforge. The project page, where you can download the source 
> > code tar ball or rpm as well as precompiled RPMs for RedHat Linux 7.0 (i386 
> > architecture only), is:
> >          http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-ntfs/
> > You can also use the CVS server if you prefer...
> > Note, that you need the kernel headers installed to compile linux-ntfs 
> > source (probably you will need 2.4.x kernel headers and not 2.2.x ones but 
> > I haven't actually checked whether it works with 2.2.x or not).
> > 
> > The first release contains the all new and wonderful ntfsfix utility, which 
> > repairs some of the damage that the current Linux NTFS driver does when 
> > writing to an NTFS partition.
> > 
> > If you are doing any writing to NTFS partitions using the Linux NTFS driver 
> > this is an absolute *MUST* at the present time. It won't solve all 
> > problems, but it goes quite some way to prevent data corruption.
> > 
> > Run it after dismounting your NTFS partition in Linux but before rebooting 
> > into Windows NT/2000.
> > 
> > Note, after running the utility, when Windows boots up it will run an 
> > automatic chkdsk on the partition which will finish fixing the damage done 
> > by the Linux NTFS driver without corrupting the written data or any other 
> > data (as long as the Linux NTFS driver hasn't corrupted something beyond 
> > repair, obviously).
> > 
> > For amusement value, the first release also includes the ntfsdump_logfile 
> > utility which when used on an NTFS partition will display information about 
> > the journal ($LogFile) of that partition.
> > 
> > Finally both these utilities make use of the also included NTFS library 
> > which offer NTFS access to open source programs. It is currently under 
> > heavy development and the API is not going to remain as it is so don't use 
> > it yet for your own programs.
> > 
> > For everyone interested in NTFS on-disk structures and functionality, you 
> > will find the doc directory and especially the include directory to be of 
> > great interest as the later includes header files with all known to me NTFS 
> > structures. I still haven't gone through all the NTFS information that is 
> > available so they are considered work in progress but are fairly complete I 
> > thing. Most people will probably find that the $LogFile structures have 
> > never been published before anywhere and now we have the restart area 
> > structure definitions.
> > 
> > Any problems compiling/running the utilities, just give me a shout, or even 
> > better submit bug reports on the project page!
> > 
> > Enjoy!
> > 
> > Anton
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > "Intelligence is the ability to avoid doing work, yet get the work done". - 
> > Linus Torvalds
> > -- 
> > Anton Altaparmakov <aia21 at cam.ac.uk> (replace at with @)
> > Linux NTFS Maintainer / WWW: http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-ntfs/
> > ICQ: 8561279 / WWW: http://www-stu.christs.cam.ac.uk/~aia21/
> > 
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Linux-NTFS project, first public release

[Anton Altaparmakov]

At 02:02 04/02/2001, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
>On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 12:37:16AM +0000, Anton Altaparmakov wrote:
>I am noticeable impressed with your ability to address these issues.

(-:

>Microsoft would be much happier I am certain with a pure Linux solution
>for this problem.  They have been incredibly tolerant in allowing

Believe me, so would I! It's a long way to go to having a fully functional 
ntfsck Linux utility, but we will get there eventually. And of course, the 
actual driver is under heavy development both by Yuri Per of Acronis Ltd. 
and myself at the moment (he is probably doing more than me as he does this 
as part of a full time job...). In fact I am sitting on a very nice patch 
for the driver at the moment but want to do some testing before I send it 
off to Alan as it does quite a lot of fixing including a nasty race I found 
staring at the code yesterday and several bug fixes and clean ups (or 
rather rewrites of some functions almost) courtesy of Yuri. So the 
importance of ntfsfix should become smaller and smaller as time goes on 
until eventually we won't need it all. (-:

>me to help customers with trashed drives, but I am sure you are
>aware that they were only tolerating it since it was helping
>customers who use both NT and Linux, and even this was quite
>a stretch they did not have to go.   It's a statement that even in
>those cases where tey may be helping Linux, they put their customers
>needs first (this took some convincing on my part).

Yes, I am aware of that. I very much doubt that Microsoft would be helping 
Linux without an extremely good reason. I guess the only way part of 
Microsoft might start working with/on Linux would be if the DOJ would split 
the company up in two parts OS/Servers and Office apps. If that would 
happen the Office part would have a growing market interest in a Linux 
port, which at the moment is out of the question as Office is probably one 
of the last barriers to a mass user migration to Linux. - Imagine all the 
office and home environments where Windows is used solely for the purpose 
of using Microsoft Word/Excel. They could all switch to Linux and many 
would probably do so if Word/Excel would exist under Linux... It would be 
very cost effective, too. - Oh well, one can dream. (-;

>They are very angry at me right now for even doing this in the
>first place, and I doubt the relationship will ever be back on
>the keel it was originally, but since I work on Linux almost
>exslusively now, I do not think it matters.

While it doesn't matter, I am sure things will improve over time.

>Good Work, A++.

Thanks! (-:

Best regards,

         Anton

> > At 01:16 04/02/2001, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
> > >To date, I have provided tools to 7,000+ folks who use this driver that
> > >trash their NTFS partitions.  TRG will discontinue distribution of these
> > >tools at this point since Anton has a Linux based version.
> > >
> > >Please do not email me for any more NT based repair tools for damaged
> > >NTFS partitions trashed by Linux.  Please contact Andre and use his
> >
> > You probably meant Anton in the sentence above...
> >
> > >tools instead.  I will inform Microsoft I will no longer be providing
> > >these tools since Anton now has something that will do the job.
> >
> > The NTFS disk edit utility you were providing does quite a lot more since
> > it is interactive. And my utility doesn't do everything I would like it to
> > do yet but it does work so I wanted to push a release out of the door 
> ASAP.
> > But it doesn't really matter. The NTFS disk editor is a relatively freely
> > available utility as I found out recently, anyways. It is present on the
> > Windows NT4 Service Pack 4 CD! It's not mentioned anywhere in the
> > documentation but it sure is there among the service pack files. I managed
> > to dig the out in our College computer office and it's now officially 
> mine.
> > That has the advantage of not binding you to the license of only using it
> > for repairing NTFS partitions... (-:
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Anton
> >
> >
> > --
> > Anton Altaparmakov <aia21 at cam.ac.uk> (replace at with @)
> > Linux NTFS Maintainer / WWW: http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-ntfs/
> > ICQ: 8561279 / WWW: http://www-stu.christs.cam.ac.uk/~aia21/
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Linux NTFS Maintainer / WWW: http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-ntfs/
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Linux-NTFS project, first public release

[Anton Altaparmakov]

At 02:42 04/02/2001, you wrote:
>Hell will freeze, and the US will break off from the continental mass and
>sink into the oceans before I think MS will ever endorse Linux
>officially.  I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

Well there is that. But why not think positive. You never know. Miracles 
sometimes do happen.

(-:

Anton


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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Linux-NTFS project, first public release

[Jeff V. Merkey]

On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 12:37:16AM +0000, Anton Altaparmakov wrote:


Anton,

I am noticeable impressed with your ability to address these issues.
Microsoft would be much happier I am certain with a pure Linux solution
for this problem.  They have been incredibly tolerant in allowing 
me to help customers with trashed drives, but I am sure you are 
aware that they were only tolerating it since it was helping 
customers who use both NT and Linux, and even this was quite 
a stretch they did not have to go.   It's a statement that even in 
those cases where tey may be helping Linux, they put their customers
needs first (this took some convincing on my part). 

They are very angry at me right now for even doing this in the 
first place, and I doubt the relationship will ever be back on 
the keel it was originally, but since I work on Linux almost 
exslusively now, I do not think it matters.  

Good Work, A++.

Jeff 


> At 01:16 04/02/2001, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
> >To date, I have provided tools to 7,000+ folks who use this driver that
> >trash their NTFS partitions.  TRG will discontinue distribution of these
> >tools at this point since Anton has a Linux based version.
> >
> >Please do not email me for any more NT based repair tools for damaged
> >NTFS partitions trashed by Linux.  Please contact Andre and use his
> 
> You probably meant Anton in the sentence above...
> 
> >tools instead.  I will inform Microsoft I will no longer be providing
> >these tools since Anton now has something that will do the job.
> 
> The NTFS disk edit utility you were providing does quite a lot more since 
> it is interactive. And my utility doesn't do everything I would like it to 
> do yet but it does work so I wanted to push a release out of the door ASAP. 
> But it doesn't really matter. The NTFS disk editor is a relatively freely 
> available utility as I found out recently, anyways. It is present on the 
> Windows NT4 Service Pack 4 CD! It's not mentioned anywhere in the 
> documentation but it sure is there among the service pack files. I managed 
> to dig the out in our College computer office and it's now officially mine. 
> That has the advantage of not binding you to the license of only using it 
> for repairing NTFS partitions... (-:
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Anton
> 
> 
> -- 
> Anton Altaparmakov <aia21 at cam.ac.uk> (replace at with @)
> Linux NTFS Maintainer / WWW: http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-ntfs/
> ICQ: 8561279 / WWW: http://www-stu.christs.cam.ac.uk/~aia21/
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Linux-NTFS project, first public release

[Matthew Fredrickson]

On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 01:51:43AM +0000, Anton Altaparmakov wrote:
> At 02:42 04/02/2001, you wrote:
> >Hell will freeze, and the US will break off from the continental mass and
> >sink into the oceans before I think MS will ever endorse Linux
> >officially.  I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
> 
> Well there is that. But why not think positive. You never know. Miracles 
> sometimes do happen.

And just as darkness covers the entire earth, a light comes from the
clouds.  A voice says, "Behold, this is my beloved son, hear him"

And then the people didn't need Microsoft anymore.

:-)

Matthew Fredrickson
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Linux-NTFS project, first public release

[Michael B. Trausch]

On Sat, 3 Feb 2001, Matthew Fredrickson wrote:
> 
> And just as darkness covers the entire earth, a light comes from the
> clouds.  A voice says, "Behold, this is my beloved son, hear him"
> 
> And then the people didn't need Microsoft anymore.
> 
> :-)
> 

Linux is the way, the truth, and the light, soon people will see that..

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Linux-NTFS project, first public release

[Jeff V. Merkey]

On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 01:43:54AM +0000, Anton Altaparmakov wrote:
> At 02:02 04/02/2001, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
> >On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 12:37:16AM +0000, Anton Altaparmakov wrote:
> >I am noticeable impressed with your ability to address these issues.
> 
> (-:
> 
> >Microsoft would be much happier I am certain with a pure Linux solution
> >for this problem.  They have been incredibly tolerant in allowing
> 
> Believe me, so would I! It's a long way to go to having a fully functional 
> ntfsck Linux utility, but we will get there eventually. And of course, the 
> actual driver is under heavy development both by Yuri Per of Acronis Ltd. 
> and myself at the moment (he is probably doing more than me as he does this 
> as part of a full time job...). In fact I am sitting on a very nice patch 
> for the driver at the moment but want to do some testing before I send it 
> off to Alan as it does quite a lot of fixing including a nasty race I found 
> staring at the code yesterday and several bug fixes and clean ups (or 
> rather rewrites of some functions almost) courtesy of Yuri. So the 
> importance of ntfsfix should become smaller and smaller as time goes on 
> until eventually we won't need it all. (-:
> 
> >me to help customers with trashed drives, but I am sure you are
> >aware that they were only tolerating it since it was helping
> >customers who use both NT and Linux, and even this was quite
> >a stretch they did not have to go.   It's a statement that even in
> >those cases where tey may be helping Linux, they put their customers
> >needs first (this took some convincing on my part).
> 
> Yes, I am aware of that. I very much doubt that Microsoft would be helping 
> Linux without an extremely good reason. I guess the only way part of 
> Microsoft might start working with/on Linux would be if the DOJ would split 
> the company up in two parts OS/Servers and Office apps. If that would 
> happen the Office part would have a growing market interest in a Linux 
> port, which at the moment is out of the question as Office is probably one 
> of the last barriers to a mass user migration to Linux. - Imagine all the 
> office and home environments where Windows is used solely for the purpose 
> of using Microsoft Word/Excel. They could all switch to Linux and many 
> would probably do so if Word/Excel would exist under Linux... It would be 
> very cost effective, too. - Oh well, one can dream. (-;
> 
> >They are very angry at me right now for even doing this in the
> >first place, and I doubt the relationship will ever be back on
> >the keel it was originally, but since I work on Linux almost
> >exslusively now, I do not think it matters.
> 
> While it doesn't matter, I am sure things will improve over time.
> 
> >Good Work, A++.
> 
> Thanks! (-:
> 
> Best regards,
> 
>          Anton
> 
> > > At 01:16 04/02/2001, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
> > > >To date, I have provided tools to 7,000+ folks who use this driver that
> > > >trash their NTFS partitions.  TRG will discontinue distribution of these
> > > >tools at this point since Anton has a Linux based version.
> > > >
> > > >Please do not email me for any more NT based repair tools for damaged
> > > >NTFS partitions trashed by Linux.  Please contact Andre and use his
> > >
> > > You probably meant Anton in the sentence above...
> > >
> > > >tools instead.  I will inform Microsoft I will no longer be providing
> > > >these tools since Anton now has something that will do the job.
> > >
> > > The NTFS disk edit utility you were providing does quite a lot more since
> > > it is interactive. And my utility doesn't do everything I would like it to
> > > do yet but it does work so I wanted to push a release out of the door 
> > ASAP.
> > > But it doesn't really matter. The NTFS disk editor is a relatively freely
> > > available utility as I found out recently, anyways. It is present on the
> > > Windows NT4 Service Pack 4 CD! It's not mentioned anywhere in the
> > > documentation but it sure is there among the service pack files. I managed
> > > to dig the out in our College computer office and it's now officially 
> > mine.
> > > That has the advantage of not binding you to the license of only using it
> > > for repairing NTFS partitions... (-:
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Anton
> > >


Hell will freeze, and the US will break off from the continental mass and 
sink into the oceans before I think MS will ever endorse Linux 
officially.  I could be wrong, but I doubt it.  

:-)

Jeff 

> > >
> > > --
> > > Anton Altaparmakov <aia21 at cam.ac.uk> (replace at with @)
> > > Linux NTFS Maintainer / WWW: http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-ntfs/
> > > ICQ: 8561279 / WWW: http://www-stu.christs.cam.ac.uk/~aia21/
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