CML2 0.9.7 is available

CML2 0.9.7 is available

[Eric S. Raymond]

Release 0.9.7: Mon Mar 26 16:55:48 EST 2001
	* Can now configure everything except the CONFIG_-less CRIS symbols.
	* Prefix-stripping for backward compatibility with, e.g. CONFIG_3C515.
	* Resolve all FIXMES, including Andre Hedrick's IDE vendor stuff.

CML2 can now configure symbols with leading numerics, removing the
last remaining CML1 compatibility problem.  Once the CRIS-architecture
symbols are brought into conformance with the CML1 spec, CML2 will
be able to completely configure a stock kernel tree.  All known gaps
in the CML1 translation have been fixed.
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Arch specific/multiple Configure.help files?

[Johan Adolfsson]

Would it be a good idea to have support for multiple Configure.help
files in the config system?
The main advantage would be that arch specific settings could
have an arch specific help file as well.
Anybody who knows: Would it be a easy to add support for this if 
this is considered a good idea?

/Johan

Re: Arch specific/multiple Configure.help files?

[Erik Mouw]

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 07:28:33PM +0200, Johan Adolfsson wrote:
> Would it be a good idea to have support for multiple Configure.help
> files in the config system?
> The main advantage would be that arch specific settings could
> have an arch specific help file as well.

I don't see why this would be an advantage. IMHO Documentation belongs
in the Documentation tree and configuration documentation belongs in
Configure.help. You almost never read that file yourself, only the
various kernel configure tools read it, and tools don't have a problem
with large files. It's better to have the documentation at a single
point, not scattered around in the kernel tree.

> Anybody who knows: Would it be a easy to add support for this if 
> this is considered a good idea?

Shouldn't be too hard.


Erik

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Re: Arch specific/multiple Configure.help files?

[Rogier Wolff]

Erik Mouw wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 07:28:33PM +0200, Johan Adolfsson wrote:
> > Would it be a good idea to have support for multiple Configure.help
> > files in the config system?
> > The main advantage would be that arch specific settings could
> > have an arch specific help file as well.
> 
> I don't see why this would be an advantage. IMHO Documentation belongs
> in the Documentation tree and configuration documentation belongs in
> Configure.help. You almost never read that file yourself, only the
> various kernel configure tools read it, and tools don't have a problem
> with large files. It's better to have the documentation at a single
> point, not scattered around in the kernel tree.

Well, the configure help is now "scattered around": The configuration
options are in the "configure.in" files, and hte docs for them are
somewhere else, even if it's in one large file.

I'm not sure if Larry's CML2 has the help for the options near the
options or not, but that's how I'd like it to be if I were designing
the thing from scratch. (a bit like emacs' functions: there too, you
give the help text near the definition of a functions!)

			Roger. 

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Re: Arch specific/multiple Configure.help files?

[Rogier Wolff]

Rogier Wolff wrote:
> I'm not sure if Larry's CML2 has the help for the options near the
                  ^^^^^^  ehhhm. That's Eric. Sorry. 

Roger. 
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Re: Arch specific/multiple Configure.help files?

[johan.adolfsson]

I went ahead and implemented the change last night anyway and I
will submit the patches and see if it will be accepted or not.
The idea is that it first check in arch/$ARCH/Configure.help
and if the file or the help is not found there,
check Documentation/Configure.help.

I believe there is an advantage from a maintenance point of view.
It least for our CRIS architecture, I don't think it's any benefit to
"bloat" the Documentation/Configure.help with a lot of
CONFIG_ETRAX entries for the various hardware inerfaces
when the help and config can be kept locally.

BTW: I added this to scripts/Configure and scripts/Menuconfig
but I know to little tcl/tk to get it to work for the xconfig case.
The variable $ARCH was not found and I don't know how to make
it get it from the environment variables.

/Johan

----- Original Message -----
From: Rogier Wolff <R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl>
To: Erik Mouw <J.A.K.Mouw@ITS.TUDelft.NL>
Cc: Johan Adolfsson <johana@axis.com>; <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: Arch specific/multiple Configure.help files?


> Erik Mouw wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 07:28:33PM +0200, Johan Adolfsson wrote:
> > > Would it be a good idea to have support for multiple Configure.help
> > > files in the config system?
> > > The main advantage would be that arch specific settings could
> > > have an arch specific help file as well.
> >
> > I don't see why this would be an advantage. IMHO Documentation belongs
> > in the Documentation tree and configuration documentation belongs in
> > Configure.help. You almost never read that file yourself, only the
> > various kernel configure tools read it, and tools don't have a problem
> > with large files. It's better to have the documentation at a single
> > point, not scattered around in the kernel tree.
>
> Well, the configure help is now "scattered around": The configuration
> options are in the "configure.in" files, and hte docs for them are
> somewhere else, even if it's in one large file.
>
> I'm not sure if Larry's CML2 has the help for the options near the
> options or not, but that's how I'd like it to be if I were designing
> the thing from scratch. (a bit like emacs' functions: there too, you
> give the help text near the definition of a functions!)
>
> Roger.
>
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> ** R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl ** http://www.BitWizard.nl/ ** +31-15-2137555 **
> *-- BitWizard writes Linux device drivers for any device you may have! --*
> * There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots.
> * There are also old, bald pilots.
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