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From: Roger Larsson <roger.larsson@skelleftea.mail.telia.com>
To: "Gérard Roudier" <groudier@free.fr>,
	"Rik van Riel" <riel@conectiva.com.br>
Cc: "Marc A. Lehmann" <pcg@goof.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<oesi@plan9.de>
Subject: Re: [resent PATCH] Re: very slow parallel read performance
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:26:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200108250930.f7P9UZH10871@maile.telia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010825094000.O756-100000@gerard>
In-Reply-To: <20010825094000.O756-100000@gerard>

On Saturday den 25 August 2001 10:02, Gérard Roudier wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, Rik van Riel wrote:
> > On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, Gérard Roudier wrote:
> > > The larger the read-ahead chunks, the more likely trashing will
> > > occur. In my opinion, using more than 128 K IO chunks will not
> > > improve performances with modern hard disks connected to a
> > > reasonnably fast controller, but will increase memory pressure
> > > and probably thrashing.
> >
> > Your opinion seems to differ from actual measurements
> > made by Roger Larsson and other people.
>
> The part of my posting that talked about modern hard disks sustaining more
> than 8000 IOs per second and controllers sustaining 15000 IOs per second
> is a _measurement_.
>
> With such values, given a U160 SCSI BUS, using 64K IO chunks will result
> in about less than 25% of bandwidth used for the SCSI protocol and 75% for
> useful data at full load (about 2000 IO/s - 120 MB/s). This is a
> _calculation_. With 128K IO chunks, less than 15% of the SCSI BUS will be
> used for the SCSI protocol and more than 85% for usefull data. Still a
> _calculation_.
>
> This let me claim - opinion based on fairly simple calculations - that if
> using more 128 K IO chunks gives significantly better throughput, then
> some serious IO scheduling problem should exist in kernel IO subsystems.

Where did the seek time go? And rotational latency?

[I hope my calculations are correct]


This is mine (a IBM Deskstar 75GXP)
Sustained data rate (MB/sec)	37
Seek time  (read typical)
	Average (ms)		 8.5
	Track-to-track (ms)	 1.2
	Full-track (ms)		15.0
Data buffer			2 MB
Latency (calculated 7200 RPM)	4.2 ms

So sustained data rate is 37 MB/s
> hdparm -t gives around 35 MB/s
best I got during testing or real files is 32 MB/s

A small calculation:
Track-to-track time is 1.2 ms + time to rotate 4.2 ms = 5.4 ms
In this time I can read 37 MB/s * 5.4 ms = 200 kB or 
more than 48 pages (instead of moving the head to the closest
track I could read 48 pages...)

Average is 8.5 ms + 4.2 ms => 114 pages 

Reading a maximum of 114 pages at a time gives on the average
half the maximum sustained throughput for this disk.
But the buffer holds 512 pages... => I tried with that. [overkill]

* Data from a Seagate Cheetah X15 ST336732LC (Better than most
disks out there - way better than mine)
Formatted Int Transfer Rate (min)	51 MBytes/sec
Formatted Int Transfer Rate (max)	69 MBytes/sec
Average Seek Time, Read		3.7 msec typical
Track-to-Track Seek, Read	0.5 msec typical
Average Latency			2 msec
Default Buffer (cache) Size	8,192 Kbytes
Spindle Speed			15K RPM

Same calculation:
Track-to-track: (2 + 0.5) ms * 51 MB = 127 kB or 31 pages (42 pages max)
Average: (2 + 3.7 ms) * 51 MB/s = 290 kB or almost 71 pages (96 pages max)

Reading a maximum of 71 pages gives on the average half the
maximum sustained throughput. [smart buffering in the drive might help
when reading from several streams]


/RogerL

-- 
Roger Larsson
Skellefteå
Sweden

  reply	other threads:[~2001-08-25  9:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-08-23 21:35 Lehmann 
2001-08-24  7:35 ` [resent PATCH] " Roger Larsson
2001-08-24 17:43   ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-24 18:28     ` Roger Larsson
2001-08-24 19:02       ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-24 20:37         ` Gérard Roudier
2001-08-24 23:12           ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-25  8:02             ` Gérard Roudier
2001-08-25  9:26               ` Roger Larsson [this message]
2001-08-25 11:49                 ` Gérard Roudier
2001-08-25 17:56                   ` Roger Larsson
2001-08-25 19:13                     ` Gérard Roudier
2001-08-25 13:17               ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-24 22:29         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-24 23:10           ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-25  0:42             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-27  7:08           ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-27 14:31             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-27 14:42               ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-27 15:14                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-27 16:04                   ` Daniel Phillips
     [not found]                   ` <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0108271213370.5646-100000@imladris.rielhome.cone ctiva>
2001-08-27 19:34                     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-27 20:03                       ` Oliver Neukum
2001-08-27 20:19                         ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-27 21:38                           ` Oliver.Neukum
2001-08-27 22:26                             ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-27 21:29                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-27 16:02                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-27 19:36                   ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-27 20:24                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-27 16:55               ` David Lang
2001-08-27 18:54                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-27 18:37               ` Oliver Neukum
2001-08-27 19:04                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-27 19:43                   ` Oliver Neukum
2001-08-27 20:37                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-27 22:10                       ` Oliver.Neukum
2001-08-27 21:44                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-27 22:30                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-27 23:00                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-08-28  3:10                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-27 19:55                 ` Richard Gooch
2001-08-27 20:09                   ` Oliver Neukum
2001-08-27 21:06                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-24 20:18     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-24 20:19       ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-24 21:11         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-24 23:03           ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-25  0:41             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-25  1:34               ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-25 15:49                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-25 15:50                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-25 16:28                     ` Lehmann 
2001-08-25 16:34                       ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-25 16:41                         ` Lehmann 
2001-08-26 16:55                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-26 18:39                         ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26 19:46                           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-26 19:52                             ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26 20:08                               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-26 22:33                                 ` Russell King
2001-08-26 23:24                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-26 23:24                                     ` Russell King
2001-08-27  0:07                                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-27  0:02                                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-27  0:42                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-25 16:43                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-25 19:15                       ` Alan Cox
2001-08-25 19:35                         ` Lehmann 
2001-08-25 20:52                           ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26  1:38                             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-26  2:49                               ` Lehmann 
2001-08-26 17:29                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-26 17:37                                   ` Craig I. Hagan
2001-08-26 18:56                                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26 19:18                                   ` Lehmann 
2001-08-26 21:07                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-26 22:12                                       ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26 23:24                                       ` Lehmann 
2001-08-26 20:26                                   ` Gérard Roudier
2001-08-26 21:20                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-26  3:32                               ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26 13:22                                 ` Lehmann 
2001-08-26 13:48                                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26 14:55                                     ` Lehmann 
2001-08-26 15:06                                       ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26 15:25                                         ` Lehmann 
2001-08-25 21:33                           ` Alan Cox
2001-08-25 23:34                             ` Lehmann 
2001-08-26  2:02                               ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26  2:57                                 ` Lehmann 
2001-08-26  0:46                           ` John Stoffel
2001-08-26  1:07                             ` Alan Cox
2001-08-26  3:30                               ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26  3:40                             ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26  5:28                               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-24 23:23         ` Lehmann 
     [not found]           ` <200108242344.f7ONi0h21270@mailg.telia.com>
2001-08-25  0:28             ` Lehmann 
2001-08-25  3:09           ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-25  9:13             ` Gérard Roudier
2001-08-26 16:54           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-26 18:59             ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-08-26 19:38               ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26 20:05                 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-08-26 20:34                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26 20:45                     ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-08-26 21:00                       ` Alan Cox
2001-08-26 20:42               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-26 19:31             ` Lehmann 
2001-08-24 19:42   ` Lehmann 
2001-08-24 21:42     ` Gérard Roudier
2001-08-25  0:05   ` Craig I. Hagan
2001-08-27  2:03 Rick Hohensee
2001-08-27  2:52 ` Keith Owens
2001-08-28 17:52 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-08-28 21:54   ` Matthew M
2001-08-28  1:08 Dieter Nützel
2001-08-28  0:05 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-08-28  1:54   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-28  5:01 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-08-28 18:18 ` Andrew Morton
2001-08-28 18:45   ` Hans Reiser
2001-08-28 15:28 Dieter Nützel

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