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From: <pcg@goof.com ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann )>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
Cc: Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Roger Larsson <roger.larsson@skelleftea.mail.telia.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [resent PATCH] Re: very slow parallel read performance
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 17:25:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010826172505.E22677@cerebro.laendle> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010826165517.D22677@cerebro.laendle> <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0108261158470.5646-100000@imladris.rielhome.conectiva>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0108261158470.5646-100000@imladris.rielhome.conectiva>

On Sun, Aug 26, 2001 at 12:06:42PM -0300, Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br> wrote:
> > It must be enough, unfortunately ;)
> 
> Then you'll need to change the physical structure of
> your disks to eliminate seek time. ;)

well, you could send me 200GB flashdisks, that would certainly help, but
what else could I do that is hardware-cost-neutral?

(there are currently three disks on two ide channels, so there is one
obvious optimization left, but this is completely independent of the
problem ;)

I really think linux should be able to achieve what the hardwrae can,
rather than fixing linux vm shortcomings with faster disks.

(playing around with readahead did indeed give me a very noticable
performance improvement, and ~40 mbits is ok).

> Automatic scaling of readahead window and possibly more agressive
> drop-behind could help your system load.

well, the system "load" is very low (50% idle time ;) here is the top ouput
of the current (typical) load:

  PID USER     PRI  NI  SIZE  RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM   TIME COMMAND
 8390 root      20   0 95312  93M  1076 S    43.9 18.5  16:03 myhttpd
 8661 root      17  -4 32464  31M   944 R <  28.4  6.2   1:07 get
 6279 root      18  14  4856 4856   524 R N  27.3  0.9 122:19 dec
 8396 root      10   0 95312  93M  1076 D     6.5 18.5   1:43 myhttpd
 8395 root      11   0 95312  93M  1076 D     5.3 18.5   1:46 myhttpd
 8394 root       9   0 95312  93M  1076 D     4.4 18.5   1:42 myhttpd
 8682 root      19   0  1012 1012   800 R     4.2  0.1   0:01 top

myhttpd is the http serverr, doing about 4MB/s now @ 743 connections.
"get" is a process that reads usenet news from many different servers and
dec is a decoder that decoded news. The news spool is on a 20Gb, 5 disk
SCSI array, together with the system itself. The machine is a dual P-II
300.

   procs                      memory    swap          io     system         cpu
 r  b  w   swpd   free   buff  cache  si  so    bi    bo   in    cs  us  sy  id
 2  3  1      0   3004  11436 171676   0   0   225   170  303    75  30  45  25
# the above line was the total system uptime average, now vmstat 5 output:
 1  4  2      0   3056  11060 165760   0   0  7094   103 6905  1046  31  51  18
 1  4  2      0   3056  11264 165532   0   0  6173   183 6146  1051  30  41  29
 2  4  2      0   3056  10988 167656   0   0  7402   150 6706  1204  31  48  21
 0  6  0      0   3056  11196 167344   0   0  7249   265 6760  1318  30  47  23
 0  4  0      0   3056  11336 166876   0   0  1718   190 4995   582  25  19  55
 2  0  0      0   3056  11536 166988   0   0  1057   264 3264   313  22  12  65
 2  5  1      0   2880  11332 152916   0   0  1776   121 2789   280  32  22  46
 1  5  0      0  16108  11472 153984   0   0  1040   215 3255   248  29  15  56
 1  4  3      0   3056  11624 166800   0   0  4406   179 3329   653  32  23  45
 1  4  0      0   3056  10852 167636   0   0  6970   138 5521  1247  34  39  26
 2  4  0      0   3056  11016 167440   0   0  7238   162 5997  1118  36  39  25
 2  4  1      0   3056  11284 177332   0   0  6247    84 5206  1293  34  36  30
 1  4  2      0   3052  11296 181564   0   0  7800    85 5493  1399  35  41  24

There are 4 reader threads ATM, and this coincides nicely with the 4
blocked tasks.

> so we have an idea of what kind of system load we're facing, and
> the active/inactive memory lines from /proc/meminfo ?

I then did: while sleep 5; do grep "\(^In\|^Act\)" </proc/meminfo;done

Active:         144368 kB
Inact_dirty:     29048 kB
Inact_clean:       192 kB
Inact_target:    19348 kB
Active:         154012 kB
Inact_dirty:     14092 kB
Inact_clean:      5556 kB
Inact_target:    19360 kB
Active:         164908 kB
Inact_dirty:     21212 kB
Inact_clean:      5428 kB
Inact_target:    19104 kB
Active:         169788 kB
Inact_dirty:     20652 kB
Inact_clean:      1224 kB
Inact_target:    18912 kB
Active:         147280 kB
Inact_dirty:     37444 kB
Inact_clean:      5080 kB
Inact_target:    19132 kB
Active:         151400 kB
Inact_dirty:     26604 kB
Inact_clean:     10280 kB
Inact_target:    19328 kB
Active:         157288 kB
Inact_dirty:      9312 kB
Inact_clean:     20988 kB
Inact_target:    19500 kB
Active:         160456 kB
Inact_dirty:     11908 kB
Inact_clean:     12112 kB
Inact_target:    19672 kB

> Indeed, something is going wrong ;)
> 
> Lets find out exactly what so we can iron out this bug
> properly.

When that happened I can test wether massively increasing the number of
reader threads changes performance ;)

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  reply	other threads:[~2001-08-26 15:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-08-23 21:35 Lehmann 
2001-08-24  7:35 ` [resent PATCH] " Roger Larsson
2001-08-24 17:43   ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-24 18:28     ` Roger Larsson
2001-08-24 19:02       ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-24 20:37         ` Gérard Roudier
2001-08-24 23:12           ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-25  8:02             ` Gérard Roudier
2001-08-25  9:26               ` Roger Larsson
2001-08-25 11:49                 ` Gérard Roudier
2001-08-25 17:56                   ` Roger Larsson
2001-08-25 19:13                     ` Gérard Roudier
2001-08-25 13:17               ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-24 22:29         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-24 23:10           ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-25  0:42             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-27  7:08           ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-27 14:31             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-27 14:42               ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-27 15:14                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-27 16:04                   ` Daniel Phillips
     [not found]                   ` <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0108271213370.5646-100000@imladris.rielhome.cone ctiva>
2001-08-27 19:34                     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-27 20:03                       ` Oliver Neukum
2001-08-27 20:19                         ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-27 21:38                           ` Oliver.Neukum
2001-08-27 22:26                             ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-27 21:29                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-27 16:02                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-27 19:36                   ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-27 20:24                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-27 16:55               ` David Lang
2001-08-27 18:54                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-27 18:37               ` Oliver Neukum
2001-08-27 19:04                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-27 19:43                   ` Oliver Neukum
2001-08-27 20:37                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-27 22:10                       ` Oliver.Neukum
2001-08-27 21:44                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-27 22:30                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-27 23:00                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-08-28  3:10                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-27 19:55                 ` Richard Gooch
2001-08-27 20:09                   ` Oliver Neukum
2001-08-27 21:06                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-24 20:18     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-24 20:19       ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-24 21:11         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-24 23:03           ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-25  0:41             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-25  1:34               ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-25 15:49                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-25 15:50                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-25 16:28                     ` Lehmann 
2001-08-25 16:34                       ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-25 16:41                         ` Lehmann 
2001-08-26 16:55                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-26 18:39                         ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26 19:46                           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-26 19:52                             ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26 20:08                               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-26 22:33                                 ` Russell King
2001-08-26 23:24                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-26 23:24                                     ` Russell King
2001-08-27  0:07                                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-27  0:02                                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-27  0:42                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-25 16:43                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-25 19:15                       ` Alan Cox
2001-08-25 19:35                         ` Lehmann 
2001-08-25 20:52                           ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26  1:38                             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-26  2:49                               ` Lehmann 
2001-08-26 17:29                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-26 17:37                                   ` Craig I. Hagan
2001-08-26 18:56                                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26 19:18                                   ` Lehmann 
2001-08-26 21:07                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-26 22:12                                       ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26 23:24                                       ` Lehmann 
2001-08-26 20:26                                   ` Gérard Roudier
2001-08-26 21:20                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-26  3:32                               ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26 13:22                                 ` Lehmann 
2001-08-26 13:48                                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26 14:55                                     ` Lehmann 
2001-08-26 15:06                                       ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26 15:25                                         ` Lehmann  [this message]
2001-08-25 21:33                           ` Alan Cox
2001-08-25 23:34                             ` Lehmann 
2001-08-26  2:02                               ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26  2:57                                 ` Lehmann 
2001-08-26  0:46                           ` John Stoffel
2001-08-26  1:07                             ` Alan Cox
2001-08-26  3:30                               ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26  3:40                             ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26  5:28                               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-24 23:23         ` Lehmann 
     [not found]           ` <200108242344.f7ONi0h21270@mailg.telia.com>
2001-08-25  0:28             ` Lehmann 
2001-08-25  3:09           ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-25  9:13             ` Gérard Roudier
2001-08-26 16:54           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-26 18:59             ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-08-26 19:38               ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26 20:05                 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-08-26 20:34                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-26 20:45                     ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-08-26 21:00                       ` Alan Cox
2001-08-26 20:42               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-26 19:31             ` Lehmann 
2001-08-24 19:42   ` Lehmann 
2001-08-24 21:42     ` Gérard Roudier
2001-08-25  0:05   ` Craig I. Hagan
2001-08-27  2:03 Rick Hohensee
2001-08-27  2:52 ` Keith Owens
2001-08-28 17:52 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-08-28 21:54   ` Matthew M
2001-08-28  1:08 Dieter Nützel
2001-08-28  0:05 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-08-28  1:54   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-28  5:01 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-08-28 18:18 ` Andrew Morton
2001-08-28 18:45   ` Hans Reiser
2001-08-28 15:28 Dieter Nützel

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