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From: "Dieter Nützel" <Dieter.Nuetzel@hamburg.de>
To: george anzinger <george@mvista.com>, Robert Love <rml@tech9.net>
Cc: safemode <safemode@speakeasy.net>,
	Oliver Xymoron <oxymoron@waste.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	Roger Larsson <roger.larsson@norran.net>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	ReiserFS List <reiserfs-list@namesys.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Preemption Latency Measurement Tool
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 06:06:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010923040635Z272912-760+15693@vger.kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0109201659210.5622-100000@waste.org> <1001213460.872.10.camel@phantasy> <3BAD53AA.F35DF6C9@mvista.com>
In-Reply-To: <3BAD53AA.F35DF6C9@mvista.com>

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Am Sonntag, 23. September 2001 05:14 schrieb george anzinger:
> Robert Love wrote:
> > On Sat, 2001-09-22 at 19:40, safemode wrote:
> > > ok. The preemption patch helps realtime applications in linux be a
> > > little more close to realtime.  I understand that.  But your mp3 player
> > > shouldn't need root permission or renicing or realtime priority flags
> > > to play mp3s.
> >
> > It doesn't, it needs them to play with a dbench 32 running in the
> > background.  This isn't nessecarily acceptable, either, but it is a
> > difference.
> >
> > Note one thing the preemption patch does is really make `realtime' apps
> > accel.  Without it, regardless of the priority of the application, the
> > app can be starved due to something in kernel mode.  Now it can't, and
> > since said application is high priority, it will get the CPU when it
> > wants it.
> >
> > This is not to say the preemption patch is no good if you don't run
> > stuff at realtime --  I don't (who uses nice, anyhow? :>), and I notice
> > a difference.
> >
> > > To
> > > test how well the latency patches are working you should be running
> > > things all at the same priority.  The main issue people are having with
> > > skipping mp3s is not in the decoding of the mp3 or in the retrieving of
> > > the file, it's in the playing in the soundcard.  That's being affected
> > > by dbench flooding the system with irq requests.  I'm inclined to
> > > believe it's irq requests because the _only_ time i have problems with
> > > mp3s (and i dont change priority levels) is when A. i do a cdparanoia
> > > -Z -B "1-"    or dbench 32.   I bet if someone did these tests on scsi
> > > hardware with the latency patch, they'd find much better results than
> > > us users of ide devices.
> >
> > The skips are really big to be irq requests, although perhaps you are
> > right in that the handling of the irq (we disable preemption during
> > irq_off, of course, but also during bottom half execution) is the
> > problem.
> >
> > However, I am more inclined to believe it is something else.  All these
> > long held locks can indeed be the problem.
> >
> > I am on an all UW2 SCSI system, and I have no major blips playing during
> > a `dbench 16' (never ran 32).  However, many other users (Dieter, I
> > believe) are on a SCSI system too.
>
> Dieter, could you post your .config file?  It might have a clue or two.

Here it comes.

Good night ;-)

-Dieter

BTW I have very good results (not the hiccup) for 2.4.10-pre14 + ReiserFS 
journal.c-2-patch from Chris

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  reply	other threads:[~2001-09-23  4:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200109200758.f8K7wEG13675@zero.tech9.net>
2001-09-19 22:44 ` Robert Love
2001-09-20  1:40   ` Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
2001-09-20  2:23     ` safemode
2001-09-20  1:13       ` David Lang
2001-09-20  2:57         ` Robert Love
2001-09-20  2:38     ` Robert Love
2001-09-20  6:31   ` Dieter Nützel
2001-09-20  6:31   ` Dieter Nützel
     [not found]   ` <20010920063143.424BD1E41A@Cantor.suse.de>
2001-09-20  6:41     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-20  7:57       ` Dieter Nützel
2001-09-20 21:09       ` Robert Love
     [not found]       ` <20010920075751.6CA791E6B2@Cantor.suse.de>
2001-09-20  8:21         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-20 20:13           ` george anzinger
2001-09-20 20:38             ` Randy.Dunlap
2001-09-20 21:10         ` Robert Love
2001-09-20 21:35           ` Dieter Nützel
2001-09-20 22:03             ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-09-20 22:51               ` Dieter Nützel
2001-09-21  3:17               ` Robert Love
2001-09-21 15:48                 ` george anzinger
2001-09-22 21:09                   ` Dieter Nützel
2001-09-22 23:40                     ` safemode
2001-09-22 23:46                     ` Dieter Nützel
2001-09-23  0:15                     ` safemode
     [not found]                     ` <200109222340.BAA37547@blipp.internet5.net>
2001-09-23  0:38                       ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-23  1:42                         ` safemode
2001-09-23  3:02                       ` Robert Love
2001-09-23 16:43                         ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-23  0:42                     ` Dieter Nützel
2001-09-23  2:50                     ` Robert Love
2001-09-23  3:14                       ` george anzinger
2001-09-23  4:06                         ` Dieter Nützel [this message]
2001-09-23  2:54                     ` Robert Love
2001-09-27  0:02                       ` [reiserfs-list] " Dieter Nützel
2001-09-23  2:58                     ` Robert Love
2001-09-23  2:44                   ` Robert Love
     [not found]       ` <200109200757.JAA60995@blipp.internet5.net>
2001-09-20 17:37         ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-20 21:29         ` Robert Love
2001-09-20 21:53           ` Dieter Nützel
2001-09-20 20:01   ` Tobias Diedrich
2001-09-20 20:27   ` Robert Love
2001-09-20 22:09     ` [PATCH] Preemption patch 2.4.9-ac12 Robert Love
2001-09-20 22:01   ` [PATCH] Preemption Latency Measurement Tool Robert Love
2001-09-22  3:57   ` Andre Pang
2001-09-22  6:10   ` Robert Love
2001-09-22  7:22     ` Andre Pang
2001-09-23  3:18       ` george anzinger
2001-09-23  3:21       ` Robert Love
2001-09-22 12:56     ` ksoftirqd? (Was: Re: [PATCH] Preemption Latency Measurement Tool) Roger Larsson
2001-09-22 13:14       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-22 20:51         ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-22 21:33           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-23  7:05     ` [PATCH] Preemption Latency Measurement Tool Robert Love
2001-09-23 12:03       ` Andre Pang
2001-09-23 18:31       ` Robert Love
     [not found] <200109202253.RAA21082@waste.org>
2001-09-20 23:15 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-09-21  0:42   ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-21  1:03     ` Alan Cox
2001-09-21  1:22       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-21  1:51         ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21  1:38       ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-21  1:53         ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-21  2:08           ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-21  2:29             ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21 16:24       ` Jussi Laako
2001-09-21 16:36         ` Alan Cox
2001-09-21 18:46         ` Thomas Sailer
2001-09-22 10:30           ` Jussi Laako
2001-09-21 16:18     ` Stefan Westerfeld
2001-09-21 20:18       ` Dieter Nützel
2001-09-21 21:47       ` Robert Love
2002-04-09  5:23 [PATCH] preemption latency measurement tool Robert Love

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