From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Riley Williams <rhw@MemAlpha.cx>
Cc: Alex Bligh <linux-kernel@alex.org.uk>,
Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Linux updates RTC secretly when clock synchronizes
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 09:57:33 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011106095733.A35@toy.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1301130987.1004623024@[10.132.113.67]> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111020026300.22697-100000@Consulate.UFP.CX>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111020026300.22697-100000@Consulate.UFP.CX>; from rhw@MemAlpha.cx on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 09:50:23AM +0000
Hi!
> >> The offset needs to be sufficient to handle the case of the RTC
> >> being set to local time and the boot and first ntp sync occurring on
> >> opposite sides of a Daylight Savings Time change. A couple of
> >> timezones use a DST offset of 90 minutes, so if it's less than that,
> >> there will be problems.
>
> > There is a related problem, where if you are running something which
> > can suspend, like a laptop, but not using integrated apm to do it
> > (for instance a laptop which has a broken BIOS), then suspending
> > 'freezes' the system time, which is wrong on resume (as the power
> > management event appears to be invisible to Linux). Then this goes
> > and blats over the (correct) RTC time. If you then get a network
> > connection up, ntp won't adjust the time as it's too far out.
>
> That sounds like a configuration error to me, and here's why.
>
> 1. One of the available reference clocks for xntpd is the local
> RTC, type 1 in the list of reference clock types, and that
> should ALWAYS be listed as one of the reference clocks to use,
> but with a higher stratum than any other reference clock used.
>
> 2. My experience with the xntpd driver suggests that if no better
> reference is available and the RTC is one of the listed clocks,
> then it ALWAYS adjusts the time to match the RTC, irrespective
> of the time difference between them.
This sounds racy. What if kernel is faster and destroys RTC just after
resume and before xntpd ca run?
Pavel
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-11-07 21:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-10-31 0:33 Ian Maclaine-cross
2001-10-31 1:05 ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-10-31 2:55 ` Ian Maclaine-cross
2001-10-31 11:52 ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-11-01 0:52 ` Riley Williams
2001-11-01 1:26 ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-11-01 13:57 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-02 9:50 ` Riley Williams
2001-11-03 11:41 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-03 18:35 ` Riley Williams
2001-11-03 19:19 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-03 21:04 ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-11-06 10:01 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-06 9:57 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2001-11-02 12:16 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-05 23:08 ` Riley Williams
2001-11-06 10:17 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-07 0:00 ` Riley Williams
2001-11-07 0:44 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07 1:01 ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-11-07 1:15 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07 9:24 ` Russell King
2001-11-08 12:26 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-08 23:00 ` Riley Williams
2001-11-09 9:32 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-09 21:11 ` Riley Williams
2001-11-09 21:30 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-09 22:54 ` Riley Williams
2001-11-09 23:10 ` Mark Zealey
2001-11-10 20:04 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-10 20:35 ` Riley Williams
2001-11-10 20:43 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-10 20:49 ` Doug McNaught
2001-11-06 0:20 ` Ian Maclaine-cross
2001-11-06 10:18 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-08 5:09 ` Ian Maclaine-cross
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