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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Riley Williams <rhw@MemAlpha.cx>
Cc: Alex Bligh <linux-kernel@alex.org.uk>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Linux updates RTC secretly when clock synchronizes
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 09:57:33 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011106095733.A35@toy.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1301130987.1004623024@[10.132.113.67]> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111020026300.22697-100000@Consulate.UFP.CX>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111020026300.22697-100000@Consulate.UFP.CX>; from rhw@MemAlpha.cx on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 09:50:23AM +0000

Hi!

> >> The offset needs to be sufficient to handle the case of the RTC
> >> being set to local time and the boot and first ntp sync occurring on
> >> opposite sides of a Daylight Savings Time change. A couple of
> >> timezones use a DST offset of 90 minutes, so if it's less than that,
> >> there will be problems.
> 
> > There is a related problem, where if you are running something which
> > can suspend, like a laptop, but not using integrated apm to do it
> > (for instance a laptop which has a broken BIOS), then suspending
> > 'freezes' the system time, which is wrong on resume (as the power
> > management event appears to be invisible to Linux). Then this goes
> > and blats over the (correct) RTC time. If you then get a network
> > connection up, ntp won't adjust the time as it's too far out.
> 
> That sounds like a configuration error to me, and here's why.
> 
>  1. One of the available reference clocks for xntpd is the local
>     RTC, type 1 in the list of reference clock types, and that
>     should ALWAYS be listed as one of the reference clocks to use,
>     but with a higher stratum than any other reference clock used.
> 
>  2. My experience with the xntpd driver suggests that if no better
>     reference is available and the RTC is one of the listed clocks,
>     then it ALWAYS adjusts the time to match the RTC, irrespective
>     of the time difference between them.

This sounds racy. What if kernel is faster and destroys RTC just after 
resume and before xntpd ca run?
								Pavel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-11-07 21:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-31  0:33 Ian Maclaine-cross
2001-10-31  1:05 ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-10-31  2:55   ` Ian Maclaine-cross
2001-10-31 11:52     ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-11-01  0:52       ` Riley Williams
2001-11-01  1:26         ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-11-01 13:57         ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-02  9:50           ` Riley Williams
2001-11-03 11:41             ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-03 18:35               ` Riley Williams
2001-11-03 19:19                 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-03 21:04                 ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-11-06 10:01                 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-06  9:57             ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2001-11-02 12:16 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-05 23:08   ` Riley Williams
2001-11-06 10:17     ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-07  0:00       ` Riley Williams
2001-11-07  0:44         ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07  1:01           ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-11-07  1:15             ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07  9:24             ` Russell King
2001-11-08 12:26         ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-08 23:00           ` Riley Williams
2001-11-09  9:32             ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-09 21:11               ` Riley Williams
2001-11-09 21:30                 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-09 22:54                   ` Riley Williams
2001-11-09 23:10                     ` Mark Zealey
2001-11-10 20:04                     ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-10 20:35                       ` Riley Williams
2001-11-10 20:43                         ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-10 20:49                         ` Doug McNaught
2001-11-06  0:20   ` Ian Maclaine-cross
2001-11-06 10:18     ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-08  5:09       ` Ian Maclaine-cross

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