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From: "Peter J . Braam" <braam@clusterfilesystem.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>, Steve Lord <lord@sgi.com>,
	Ben Israel <ben@genesis-one.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: File System Performance
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:07:54 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011116150754.Y5176@lustre.dyn.ca.clusterfilesystem.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3BF02702.34C21E75@zip.com.au>, <00b201c16b81$9d7aaba0$5101a8c0@pbc.adelphia.net> <3BEFF9D1.3CC01AB3@zip.com.au> <00da01c16ba2$96aeda00$5101a8c0@pbc.adelphia.net> <3BF02702.34C21E75@zip.com.au> <1005595583.13307.5.camel@jen.americas.sgi.com> <3BF03402.87D44589@zip.com.au> <20011112171705.Z1778@lynx.no> <20011112174005.N4281@lustre.dyn.ca.clusterfilesystem.com> <20011113134653.O1778@lynx.no>
In-Reply-To: <20011113134653.O1778@lynx.no>; from adilger@turbolabs.com on Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 01:46:53PM -0700

I don't think anybody has a large KML to share.  Unfortunately, I
suspect in many environments people don't want to give such
information. 

We should start logging somewhere. 

- peter -

On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 01:46:53PM -0700, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> On Nov 12, 2001  17:40 -0700, Peter J . Braam wrote:
> > The KML in fact doesn't record the writes.  I don't have a large KML,
> > but it is easy to set one up.  Let me know if you need a hand.
> 
> We don't actually need to have the data contents, just the file sizes,
> which I think the CLOSE records have, don't they?  The one thing I'm
> unsure of is whether you zero the KML as it is "used", or does it keep
> the data from past transactions?  At one time we were thinking about
> using "punch" to reduce the actual file size, but I doubt that is in
> place yet.
> 
> This is purely to measure the effects of repeated file creation, deletion,
> updates in a real setting over a very long period (e.g. many months/years),
> which is why setting something like this up today won't get us anywhere
> (any large amount of activity would just be synthetic).
> 
> Do you think Ron Minnich or the folks at Tacitus would have a KML which
> has been generated on a large server over a long period of time and not
> erased?
> 
> > On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 05:17:05PM -0700, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> > > On Nov 12, 2001  12:41 -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > > BTW, I've been trying to hunt down a suitable file system aging tool.
> > > > We're not very happy with Keith Smith's workload because the directory
> > > > infomation was lost (he was purely studying FFS algorithmic differences
> > > > - the load isn't 100% suitable for testing other filesystems / algorithms).
> > > >   Constantin Loizides' tools are proving to be rather complex to compile,
> > > >   drive and understand.
> > > 
> > > What _may_ be a very interesting tool for doing "real-world" I/O generation
> > > is to use the InterMezzo KML (kernel modification log), which is basically
> > > a 100% record of every filesystem operation done (e.g. create, write,
> > > delete, mkdir, rmdir, etc).
> > > 
> > > Peter, do you have any very large KML files which would simulate the usage
> > > of a filesystem over a long period of time, or would Tacitus have something
> > > like that?
> 
> Cheers, Andreas
> --
> Andreas Dilger
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2resize/
> http://www-mddsp.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/adilger/
> 

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  reply	other threads:[~2001-11-16 22:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-12 13:54 Ben Israel
2001-11-12 16:33 ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-12 17:50   ` Ben Israel
2001-11-12 19:46     ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-12 19:59     ` Richard Gooch
2001-11-12 23:07       ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-13  0:04       ` Richard Gooch
2001-11-13  0:08         ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-13  0:26         ` Richard Gooch
2001-11-13  0:47           ` Mike Castle
2001-11-13  1:28           ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-13  6:34           ` Richard Gooch
2001-11-13 20:56             ` Andreas Dilger
2001-11-13  7:45         ` Andreas Dilger
2001-11-12 20:06     ` Steve Lord
2001-11-12 20:41       ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-13  0:17         ` Andreas Dilger
2001-11-13  0:40           ` Peter J . Braam
2001-11-13 20:46             ` Andreas Dilger
2001-11-16 22:07               ` Peter J . Braam [this message]
2001-11-16 23:14                 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-12 21:27       ` Steve Lord
2001-11-12 21:43         ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-12 21:48           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-12 22:11             ` Lionel Bouton
2001-11-12 19:41               ` Gérard Roudier
2001-11-12 22:14               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-12 22:30                 ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2001-11-12 22:36                 ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-12 23:04                   ` Mike Castle
2001-11-13  9:56                     ` Peter Wächtler
2001-11-13  9:41                 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-11-12 22:16             ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-12 22:32               ` Lionel Bouton
2001-11-12 22:45                 ` Alan Cox
2001-11-12 22:39               ` Alan Cox
2001-11-12 22:39                 ` Xavier Bestel
2001-11-12 22:46               ` Mike Castle
2001-11-12 22:26             ` Steve Lord
2001-11-12 21:45         ` Steve Lord
2001-11-12 21:53         ` Lionel Bouton
2001-11-12 16:40 ` Ben Israel
2001-11-12 17:29 ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-12 22:36 Grant Erickson

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