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From: Hubertus Franke <frankeh@watson.ibm.com>
To: Joshua MacDonald <jmacd@namesys.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, lse-tech@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Lightweight userspace semaphores...
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:09:13 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020227170913.A2021@elinux01.watson.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020227163834.GF322@reload.nmd.msu.ru> <20020227115842.C1308@elinux01.watson.ibm.com> <20020227173307.GH322@reload.nmd.msu.ru>
In-Reply-To: <20020227173307.GH322@reload.nmd.msu.ru>; from jmacd@namesys.com on Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 08:33:07PM +0300

To followup on this. I have posted the latest version of this under
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/lse/ulocks-2.4.17.tar.bz2

- I followed the suggestion below to minimize ulock_t datastructure
  to do so go to ./make.setup and comment out the -DLOCK_STATISTICS flag
  this will bring the ulockt_t down to 2 words, otherwise 28 bytes.
- The ulockflex program will irrespectively allocate all locks on cacheline
  boundaries regardless of size.
- I fixed a problem in ulockflex that was introduced in the last version.
- I have now number of queues instead of an explicite lock type. Hence
  the kernel only knows about number of queues to maintain.

-- Hubertus Franke

On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 08:33:07PM +0300, Joshua MacDonald wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 11:58:42AM -0500, Hubertus Franke wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 07:38:34PM +0300, Joshua MacDonald wrote:
> > > Hi Hubertus,
> > > 
> > > I have a question for you about these semaphores.  I took a glance at
> > > <linux/ulocks.h> to try and find out how large an object the
> > > user-space lock is.  I see that you have it written like this:
> > > 
> > > typedef struct ulock_t {
> > > 	unsigned long  status;
> > > 	unsigned long  type;
> > > 	unsigned long  counters[ULOCK_STAT_COUNTERS];
> > > 	char           pad[SMP_CACHE_BYTES - 
> > > 			   (ULOCK_STAT_COUNTERS+2)*sizeof(unsigned long)];
> > > } ulock_t ____cacheline_aligned;
> > > 
> > > I would like to suggest that you offer a version of the ulock_t that
> > > is as small as possible so that the user can make use of the entire
> > > cacheline rather than waste it on padding.
> > > 
> > > The reason I'm interested is that I have written a concurrent,
> > > cache-optimized skip list and I did all of my testing using the
> > > standard Linux spinlocks.  Those are 4 bytes per lock.  I use one lock
> > > per cacheline-sized node of the data structure.  If you can get your
> > > locks down to one or two words that would be really interesting, since
> > > spinlocks don't work terribly well in user-space.  I would really like
> > > to be able to use this data structure outside of the kernel, and your
> > > locks might just solve my problem, but only if they are small enough.
> > > 
> > > Do you see my point?  You can find my latest skiplist code at:
> > 
> > I have seen the light. Seriously, I initially had it as you said, but
> > Linus was strongly recommending cacheline size objects to 
> > avoid false sharing other than on the lock word
> > However, there should be no problem whatsoever to bring that back
> > to 2 words.
> 
> Sounds good.  There is nothing to prevent the declaration of a ulock_t
> variable from using __cacheline_aligned, so I think Linus is off on
> this one.
> 
> I'd like to test this out sometime.  The SLPC code uses a lots of CPP
> trickery to configure itself with various different read/write or
> exclusive locking packages, so its fairly easy to port to a new
> locking primitive.
> 
> -josh


  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-02-27 22:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20020227163834.GF322@reload.nmd.msu.ru>
2002-02-27 16:58 ` Hubertus Franke
     [not found]   ` <20020227173307.GH322@reload.nmd.msu.ru>
2002-02-27 22:09     ` Hubertus Franke [this message]
2002-02-27  8:43 [PATCH] Lightweight userspace semphores Martin Wirth
2002-02-27 15:24 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-02-27 17:17   ` Martin Wirth
2002-02-27 19:04     ` Hubertus Franke
     [not found]       ` <3C7FDF76.9040903@dlr.de>
2002-03-02 14:08         ` [PATCH] Lightweight userspace semaphores Hubertus Franke
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-02-23  3:47 Rusty Russell
2002-02-23 15:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-02-23 18:20   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-23 18:28     ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-23 20:31       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-02-23 21:22       ` Alan Cox
2002-02-26 16:09     ` Hubertus Franke
2002-02-24 23:29   ` Rusty Russell
2002-02-24 23:48     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-25  1:10       ` Rusty Russell
2002-02-25  1:23         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-25 13:14           ` Alan Cox
2002-02-25 16:11             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-25 16:39               ` Alan Cox
2002-02-25 16:32                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-02-25 17:42                   ` Alan Cox
2002-02-25 18:23                   ` Hubertus Franke
2002-02-25 20:57                     ` Hubertus Franke
2002-02-25 17:06                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-25 17:31                   ` Alan Cox
2002-02-25 17:20                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-25 17:50                       ` Alan Cox
2002-02-25 17:44                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-25 18:06                           ` Alan Cox
2002-02-25 19:31                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-24  4:57                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-25 19:51                             ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-03  7:07                 ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-01  4:56           ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-03-02 14:54       ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-25 15:00 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-01  4:44   ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-27  0:24 ` Rusty Russell
2002-02-27 15:53   ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-01  0:24     ` Richard Henderson
2002-03-01  2:00       ` Hubertus Franke
2002-02-27 16:29   ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-02 14:50   ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-03 13:30   ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-04 16:51     ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-05  4:41     ` Rusty Russell

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