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From: Jamie Lokier <lk@tantalophile.demon.co.uk>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Terje Eggestad <terje.eggestad@scali.com>,
	Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>,
	Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
Subject: Re: a faster way to gettimeofday? rdtsc strangeness
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 01:32:23 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020308013222.B14779@kushida.apsleyroad.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E16iz57-0002SW-00@the-village.bc.nu> <1015515815.4373.61.camel@pc-16.office.scali.no> <a68bo4$b18$1@cesium.transmeta.com>
In-Reply-To: <a68bo4$b18$1@cesium.transmeta.com>; from hpa@zytor.com on Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 10:32:36AM -0800

H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> > Can /proc/cpuinfo really be trusted in figuring out how long a cycle is?
> 
> It uses RDTSC, so yes.

Yes and no.  The kernel's measurement isn't as accurate as it could be.

I have some code which calibrates TSC cycles against gettimeofday().

Considering that gettimeofday() works by using the kernel's frequency
estimate that it shows in /proc/cpuinfo, the results from the code
should match /proc/cpuinfo very precisely ndeed.

However, over a million gettimeofday() calls, the frequency of the 100Hz
tick would tend to dominate the result, showing any error in the
kernel's estimate which appears in /proc/cpuinfo (which is derived from
measuring the length of a 100Hz tick in TSC cycles).

With 10^6 gettimeofday() calls, and linear regression through the set of
measurements when an interrupt didn't happen (checked by reading TSC
before and after the system call and filtering on the minimum), I get
superb results on a FreeBSD box:

	Kernel reports clock frequency:  746.154 MHz
	Measured clock frequency:        746.154 MHz

On various Linux boxes, however:

	Kernel reports clock frequency:  596.924 MHz
	Measured clock frequency:        596.929 MHz

	Kernel reports clock frequency:  866.708 MHz
	Measured clock frequency:        866.675 MHz

	Kernel reports clock frequency:  664.597 MHz
	Measured clock frequency:        664.582 MHz

	Kernel reports clock frequency:  366.601 MHz
	Measured clock frequency:        366.584 MHz

As you can see, the kernel consistently overestimates the CPU clock
frequency, or more precisely it overestimates the number of cycles in a
"100Hz" system clock tick.  This is something that could be improved in
the kernel code, as FreeBSD demonstrates.  Note that the clock frequency
probably varies by a similar order of magnitude to this error due to
thermal and power variation anyway.  But it would be nice if the
measurements matched as they do in FreeBSD!

I have one of those laptops that Alan mentioned which does change the
CPU clock rate.  It's a Toshiba 4070CDT, here running in fast then slow
mode:

	Kernel reports clock frequency:  366.601 MHz
	Measured clock frequency:        366.584 MHz

	Kernel reports clock frequency:  366.601 MHz
	Measured clock frequency:        184.503 MHz

It can switch between fast and slow modes while a program is running,
which occurs either when you press a special key combination, or the
mains power cuts off.

enjoy,
-- Jamie

  reply	other threads:[~2002-03-08  1:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-03-06  3:41 a faster way to gettimeofday? Ben Greear
2002-03-06  3:58 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-03-06  4:20   ` Ben Greear
2002-03-06  4:31     ` Davide Libenzi
2002-03-06  4:34       ` Davide Libenzi
2002-03-07 14:14       ` a faster way to gettimeofday? rdtsc strangeness Terje Eggestad
2002-03-07 14:41         ` Alan Cox
2002-03-07 15:43           ` Terje Eggestad
2002-03-07 16:17             ` Alan Cox
2002-03-07 18:32             ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-08  1:32               ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2002-03-08  1:35                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-08  1:57                   ` Jamie Lokier
2002-03-08 18:30                     ` gettimeofday() system call timing curiosity Jamie Lokier
2002-03-08 18:50                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-08 20:16                         ` Jamie Lokier
2002-03-08 20:30                           ` Davide Libenzi
2002-03-08 18:54                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-03-08 19:06                         ` johan.adolfsson
2002-03-08 19:16                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-08 19:45                           ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-03-08 20:29                             ` johan.adolfsson
2002-03-08 20:43                             ` Alan Cox
2002-03-09  3:03                               ` pjd
2002-03-09 18:51                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-03-09  3:15                             ` Kelsey Hudson
2002-03-08 19:19                         ` Alan Cox
2002-03-08 20:40                         ` george anzinger
2002-03-06 20:45     ` a faster way to gettimeofday? dean gaudet
2002-03-06 21:31       ` Chris Ball
2002-03-06 22:25         ` george anzinger
2002-03-07  0:04         ` vsyscalls Mark Mielke
2002-03-06 16:16 ` a faster way to gettimeofday? Chris Friesen
2002-03-06 16:54   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-03-11 22:47 ` OBATA Noboru
2002-03-12 13:06   ` Jamie Lokier
2002-03-12 15:12     ` OBATA Noboru

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