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From: Itai Nahshon <itai@siftology.com>
To: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>, Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
Cc: Tom Lord <lord@regexps.com>,
	jaharkes@cs.cmu.edu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 21:41:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200203101941.g2AJfSD19756@lmail.actcom.co.il> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202052328470.32146-100000@ash.penguinppc.org> <20020207132558.D27932@work.bitmover.com> <3C8B1B25.7000208@namesys.com>
In-Reply-To: <3C8B1B25.7000208@namesys.com>

On Sunday 10 March 2002 10:36, Hans Reiser wrote:
> I think that if version control becomes as simple as turning on a plugin
> for a directory or file, and then adding a little to the end of a
> filename to see and list the old versions, Mom can use it.

IIRC that was a feature in systems from DEC even before
VMS (I'm talking about the late 70's).  eg. file.txt;2 was revision 2
of file.txt.

I don't know if this feature was in the file-system or in the text editor
that I have used.

The basic features were not even close to what you get from RCS or
SCCS.

>
> Besides, version control is useful for distributed filesystem designs
> (high-performance distributed parallel writes work better with version
> control in use.)

That's a different topic, and it depends on system's design. Distributed
filesystem may use some form of a file's version to control the caching
(or locking) of data. In that case just any monotonic value will do.
All the version control systems that I know use file granularity version
numbers (or tags), while for distributed file systems you may want to use
anything between single block and full directory granularity - depending
on the typical access patterns.

There are some recent discussions in the Linux Kernel mailing list
about adding "undelete" and ACL features. Well.. I think of "undelete"
as the most primitive form of a version control (you keep one version back).
Add support for extended attributes (where you can store some extra
metadata) and the rest can be done in the VFS layer. Still far away
from a full featured SCM...

-- Itai Nahshon

  reply	other threads:[~2002-03-10 19:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-02-06  7:33 Jeramy B. Smith
2002-02-06 15:15 ` Florian Weimer
2002-02-07 16:50 ` Jan Harkes
2002-02-07 23:06 ` Tom Lord
2002-02-07 21:23   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-07 21:23   ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2002-02-07 21:28     ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-07 21:25   ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-08 15:33     ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-08 21:35       ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-11  8:20     ` Josh MacDonald
2002-02-11 15:00       ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-11 20:25         ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-11 22:14         ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-12  5:17         ` Tom Lord
2002-02-12  3:59           ` Theodore Tso
2002-02-12  6:19             ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-02-12 20:28           ` Tom Lord
2002-02-12 22:54             ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-13  0:52               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-13 10:35               ` Roman Zippel
2002-02-13  9:41             ` Tom Lord
2002-02-12 11:01         ` Josh MacDonald
2002-02-12 11:15           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-18 18:10           ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-03-10  8:36     ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-10 19:41       ` Itai Nahshon [this message]
2002-03-10 20:19         ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-10 21:16           ` Rob Turk
2002-03-10 21:34             ` Alan Cox
2002-03-10 21:23               ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-11  8:22                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-10 21:28               ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-11 11:04                 ` Mark H. Wood
2002-03-11  9:46               ` Harald Arnesen
2002-03-11 14:05           ` Luigi Genoni
2002-03-10 21:37         ` Richard Gooch
2002-03-11  5:48           ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11  5:52             ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-11  6:15               ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11  6:37                 ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-11 13:13                 ` yodaiken
2002-03-11 15:51                   ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 16:08                     ` yodaiken
2002-03-11 16:56                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 22:51                 ` James Antill
2002-03-12  7:58                   ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-12 22:37                     ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-03-13  8:09                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-13 15:10                         ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-03-13  9:39                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-03-13 14:37                         ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-03-13 16:26                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-13 16:30                             ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-03-13 19:18                               ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-14  9:39                               ` filesystem transactions (was Re: linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing) Tom Lord
2002-03-14  8:26                                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-14 10:31                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-03-11  6:42               ` linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing Richard Gooch
2002-03-11 10:46         ` Mark H. Wood
2002-03-11 11:32           ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 15:29             ` Steven Cole
2002-03-11 16:08               ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 16:25                 ` Steven Cole
2002-03-11 17:08                   ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 17:16                   ` Nikita Danilov
2002-03-11 18:22                   ` VMS File versions (was RE: linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing) Robert Pfister
2002-03-11 18:41                   ` linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing Steven Cole
2002-03-11 19:15                     ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 21:33                       ` Steven Cole
2002-03-11 21:54                         ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-03-11 22:01                           ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-03-11 22:19                           ` Steven Cole
2002-03-12  0:14                             ` Robert Pfister
2002-03-12  7:54                         ` linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing (If you don't like the closed source nature of Bitkeeper, stop your whining and help out with reiserfs.) Hans Reiser
2002-03-12  1:28                     ` linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing Mark H. Wood
2002-02-08  1:02   ` Tom Lord
2002-02-08  2:32   ` Tom Lord
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-12 18:08 Thunder from the hill
2002-02-06  3:37 Linus Torvalds
2002-02-06  6:50 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-06  7:50 ` Reid Hekman
2002-02-06  8:03   ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-06 19:35     ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-02-06 19:45       ` Tom Rini
2002-02-06 20:35       ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-06 22:25         ` Mike Fedyk
2002-02-06 20:44       ` Wayne Scott
2002-02-06 15:17 ` Florian Weimer
2002-02-06 15:32   ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-06 16:54   ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-06 22:19   ` Rob Landley
2002-02-06 17:30 ` Roman Zippel
2002-02-06 17:33   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-06 19:58     ` Roman Zippel
2002-02-06 23:36       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-06 23:54         ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-07  8:07         ` Stelian Pop
2002-02-07 16:36           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-07 17:26             ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-07 19:46               ` Stelian Pop
2002-02-08  0:29                 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-08  5:28               ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-02-08  6:06                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-08  6:14                   ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-02-08  6:49                   ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-07 10:50         ` Roman Zippel
2002-02-06 19:38 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-06 23:06   ` Larry McVoy

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