Re: IDE/ATAPI in 2.5

Re: IDE/ATAPI in 2.5

[Joerg Schilling]

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>From aia21@cantab.net Sun Jul 14 15:38:33 2002

>At 14:24 14/07/02, Joerg Schilling wrote:
>>[...] In addition, if the drive would support DAE via some non-standard 
>>interface [...]. The DAE quality would be lousy [...].

>This is a very presumptuous statement! You cannot assume that an 
>alternative interface would be of lousy quality. Maybe it is a million 
>times better? The current one (at least as some drives implement it on the 
>drive side) can be of very, very poor quality indeed.

Name a single drive that is DAE capable, does not support ATAPI and
doesn't do DAE in lousy quality.

>Note: I am not saying that there is an alternative interface or anything 
>like that... just that your statement is fallacious.

Your statements just proove that you didn't try to get the background information
that is needed to find a useful and seminal future development.


Jörg

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Re: IDE/ATAPI in 2.5

[Anton Altaparmakov]

At 15:28 14/07/02, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> >From aia21@cantab.net Sun Jul 14 15:38:33 2002
> >At 14:24 14/07/02, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> >>[...] In addition, if the drive would support DAE via some non-standard
> >>interface [...]. The DAE quality would be lousy [...].
>
> >This is a very presumptuous statement! You cannot assume that an
> >alternative interface would be of lousy quality. Maybe it is a million
> >times better? The current one (at least as some drives implement it on the
> >drive side) can be of very, very poor quality indeed.
>
>Name a single drive that is DAE capable, does not support ATAPI and
>doesn't do DAE in lousy quality.

I don't need to. As I said in the following paragraph, I never claimed such 
a thing existed. I am only complaining about your generalisations which to 
me imply that an alternative better interface cannot and could not exist. 
Which is a pile of crap. Maybe tomorrow someone will come up with a much 
better interface/drive. That is all I am saying. You cannot see into the 
future to be able to make such generalisations...

> >Note: I am not saying that there is an alternative interface or anything
> >like that... just that your statement is fallacious.
>
>Your statements just proove that you didn't try to get the background 
>information
>that is needed to find a useful and seminal future development.

WHAT?!? Get off your high horse, will you? I never claimed anything to 
prompt this response. I am just telling you off for misleading people with 
your statements...

Anton, who is starting to get pissed off with Mr Joerg "I know everything" 
Schilling


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Re: IDE/ATAPI in 2.5

[Thunder from the hill]

Hi,

On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Anton Altaparmakov wrote:
> Anton, who is starting to get pissed off with Mr Joerg "I know everything" 
> Schilling

I am, so I want mr. Joerg "I know everything" Schilling to take the 
challenge to provide us with a working patch on how to deal with it. If 
he's so much more familiar with the kernel than we are, he should be able 
to provide an efficient interface in no time.

							Regards,
							Thunder
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STOP THAT! Re: IDE/ATAPI in 2.5

[Matti Aarnio]

  Folks,

These lists are run in "open for all posters, all topics ok" manner,
mainly because doing closed lists is way larger pain in the rear than
occasional through-leaked spam, or occasional bickering, but ...

.. when most of the list traffic is flame war, I am sorely tempted to 
stomp in with some TABOO-filters..

/Matti Aarnio  -- co-postmaster of vger.kernel.org


On Sun, Jul 14, 2002 at 08:52:28AM -0600, Thunder from the hill wrote:
> Date:	Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:52:28 -0600 (MDT)
> From:	Thunder from the hill <thunder@ngforever.de>
> To:	Anton Altaparmakov <aia21@cantab.net>
> cc:	Joerg Schilling <schilling@fokus.gmd.de>,
> 	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
> Subject: Re: IDE/ATAPI in 2.5
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Anton Altaparmakov wrote:
> > Anton, who is starting to get pissed off with Mr Joerg "I know everything" 
> > Schilling
> 
> I am, so I want mr. Joerg "I know everything" Schilling to take the 
> challenge to provide us with a working patch on how to deal with it. If 
> he's so much more familiar with the kernel than we are, he should be able 
> to provide an efficient interface in no time.
> 
> 							Regards,
> 							Thunder
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Re: IDE/ATAPI in 2.5

[Thunder from the hill]

Hi,

On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Name a single drive that is DAE capable, does not support ATAPI and
> doesn't do DAE in lousy quality.

I know lots, but I can't tell you names. If I could tell you the name of 
any of them I'd certainly have to take care of my sanity.

							Regards,
							Thunder
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