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From: Rob Landley <landley@trommello.org>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Alright, I give up.  What does the "i" in "inode" stand for?
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:33:54 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200207190432.g6J4WD2366706@pimout5-int.prodigy.net> (raw)

I've been sitting on this question for years, hoping I'd come across the 
answer, and I STILL don't know what the "i" is short for.  Somebody here has 
got to know this. :)

I know what an inode IS (although it took me almost a year to figure this 
out, way back when), but I don't know what the name means.

I've been following this list for years now, and nobody's ever actually said 
what the i stands for, and neither do the (sparse) comments in fs/inode.c.  
I've read Peter Salus's book "a Quarter Century of Unix".  I've read the 
history of early unix development on Dennis Richie's home page, and although 
it complains that his original notes came back form the dictation service 
misspelling "inode" as "eyenode", it doesn't say what the I stands for.  I'm 
only about a third of the way into "Life with Unix", but it doesn't seem like 
a particularly technical history so far...

Another question I'm unclear about is "does every userspace-visible memory 
allocation have an inode"?  Loaded programs are basically mmaped files, and 
shared memory is now its own filesystem out of which you mmap stuff.  But I 
don't know about a process's stack and heap.

For a while I thought that swap could be thought of as a filesystem out of 
which the heaps were mapped as sparse files (this is the only explanation 
that made sense in early 2.5 when every page used HAD to have swap backing 
store, and taking away the mandatory backing store would just be an exercise 
in deferred allocation), but that apparently is not the case and I got 
disabused of this notion a while back.  Instead I learn what a "classzone" 
is.  Ok...

Then earlier today I wander across kerneltrap's interview with Larry McVoy, 
who espouses the viewpoint that Linux VM design should store statistics in 
inodes rather than worrying so much about individual pages, and I get 
confused again.

Has each process space's heap got an inode?  If so, in what filesystem?

Rob

(Yes, I am breaking the internet convention of posting errors rather than 
asking questions if you want people to respond.  I can come up with some 
errors if you'd like.  I'm good at that. :)

             reply	other threads:[~2002-07-19  4:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-18 22:33 Rob Landley [this message]
2002-07-19  4:38 ` Kelledin
2002-07-19  4:38 ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-19  4:45   ` CaT
2002-07-18 23:34     ` Rob Landley
2002-07-19  5:40       ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-19  0:21         ` Rob Landley
2002-07-19 12:38           ` Kelledin
2002-07-19 13:09           ` Ryan Cumming
2002-07-19  7:00       ` dalecki
2002-07-19 19:58       ` Måns Rullgård
2002-07-19 20:17         ` Cort Dougan
2002-07-20  1:06           ` Kelsey Hudson
2002-07-26 14:15             ` [OT] Why Stallman says GNU/Linux (was Re: Alright, I give up. What does the "i" in "inode" stand for?) Rob Landley
2002-07-19 14:20   ` Alright, I give up. What does the "i" in "inode" stand for? yodaiken
2002-07-20 14:22     ` Georg Nikodym
2002-07-20 14:31       ` yodaiken
2002-07-22 13:10       ` Jesse Pollard
2002-07-20  6:01   ` John Kacur
2002-07-19  4:52 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-07-22 22:23 ` Joe DiMartino
2002-07-22 22:49 ` Hiten Pandya
2002-07-25  0:24 ` Daniel Mose
2002-07-25  1:16   ` Andrew Rodland
2002-07-25  2:43   ` jw schultz
2002-07-25  3:18     ` Christian Lavoie
2002-07-25  5:30       ` Ross Vandegrift
2002-07-25 11:08       ` Alan Cox
2002-07-25  6:03   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-26  8:24     ` jbradford
2002-07-28  9:01       ` Thunder from the hill
2002-08-04 15:11         ` Gert Menke
2002-07-26 12:54     ` Rob Landley
2002-07-25 18:06   ` Kevin Buhr
2002-07-26 23:39   ` Daniel Mose
2002-07-19  5:08 Mohamed Ghouse , Gurgaon
2002-07-19 13:21 Nicholas Berry
2002-07-19 13:32 Jesse Pollard
2002-07-30 20:07 ` Mark H. Wood
     [not found] <fa.m2aun2v.khulp2@ifi.uio.no>
2002-07-20  2:20 ` Kevin Buhr
2002-07-20  2:51 Kevin Puetz
2002-07-25 13:54 Jesse Pollard
2002-07-30 20:58 Jesse Pollard

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