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From: Matthias Andree <matthias.andree@gmx.de>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ext3 vs Reiserfs benchmarks
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:29:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020719102906.A5131@krusty.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020717190259.GA31503@clusterfs.com>; from adilger@clusterfs.com on Wed, Jul 17, 2002 at 01:02:59PM -0600

On Wed, 17 Jul 2002, Andreas Dilger wrote:

> On Jul 17, 2002  13:45 +0200, Matthias Andree wrote:
> > On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Shawn wrote:
> > > In this case, can you use a RAID mirror or something, then break it?
> > > 
> > > Also, there's the LVM snapshot at the block layer someone already
> > > mentioned, which when used with smaller partions is less overhead.
> > > (less FS delta)
> > 
> > All these "solutions" don't work out, I cannot remount R/O my partition,
> > and LVM low-level snapshots or breaking a RAID mirror simply won't work
> > out. I would have to remount r/o the partition to get a consistent image
> > in the first place, so the first step must fail already...
> 
> Have you been reading my emails at all?  LVM snapshots DO ensure that
> the snapshot filesystem is consistent for journaled filesystems.

What kernel version is necessary to achieve this on production kernels
(i. e. 2.4)?

Does "consistent" mean "fsck proof"?

Here's what I tried, on Linux-2.4.19-pre10-ac3 (IIRC) (ext3fs):

(from memory, history not available, different machine):
lvcreate --snapshot snap /dev/vg0/home
e2fsck -f /dev/vg0/snap
dump -0 ...

It reported zero dtime for one file and two bitmap differences.

Does "consistent" mean "consistent after you replay the log?" If so,
that's still a losing game, because I cannot fsck the snapshot (it's R/O
in the LVM case at least) to replay the journal -- and I don't assume
dump 0.4b29 (which I'm using) goes fishing in the journal, but did not
use the dump source code.

dump did not complain however, and given what e2fsck had to complain,
I'd happily force mount such a file system when just a deletion has not
completed.

-- 
Matthias Andree

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-07-19  8:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-12 16:21 Dax Kelson
2002-07-12 17:05 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-12 17:26   ` kwijibo
2002-07-12 17:36     ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-12 20:34 ` Chris Mason
2002-07-13  4:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-14 20:40 ` Dax Kelson
2002-07-15  8:26   ` Sam Vilain
2002-07-15 12:30     ` Alan Cox
2002-07-15 12:02       ` Sam Vilain
2002-07-15 13:23         ` Alan Cox
2002-07-15 13:40           ` Chris Mason
2002-07-15 19:40             ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-15 15:12         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-07-15 16:03         ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-15 16:12           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-15 17:48           ` Sam Vilain
2002-07-15 18:47             ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2002-07-15 19:26               ` Sam Vilain
2002-07-16  8:18               ` Stelian Pop
2002-07-16 12:22                 ` Gerhard Mack
2002-07-16 12:49                   ` Stelian Pop
2002-07-16 15:11                     ` Gerhard Mack
2002-07-16 15:22                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-07-16 15:39                       ` Stelian Pop
2002-07-16 19:45                         ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 20:04                           ` Shawn
2002-07-16 20:11                             ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2002-07-16 20:22                               ` Shawn
2002-07-16 20:27                                 ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2002-07-17 11:45                                 ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-17 19:02                                   ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-18  9:29                                     ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-19  8:29                                     ` Matthias Andree [this message]
2002-07-19 16:39                                       ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-19 20:01                                         ` Shawn
2002-07-19 20:47                                           ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-15 21:14             ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-17 18:41               ` bill davidsen
2002-07-17 19:47                 ` [ANNOUNCE] Ext3 vs Reiserfs benchmarks (whither dump?) Lew Wolfgang
2002-07-16  8:15             ` [ANNOUNCE] Ext3 vs Reiserfs benchmarks Stelian Pop
2002-07-16 12:27               ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 12:43                 ` Stelian Pop
2002-07-16 12:53                   ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 13:05                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-07-16 19:38                       ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 19:49                         ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-16 20:11                         ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-16 21:06                           ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 21:23                             ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-16 21:38                               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-17 11:47                               ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-18 14:50                               ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-18 15:09                                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-16 22:19                             ` Backups done right (was [ANNOUNCE] Ext3 vs Reiserfs benchmarks) stoffel
2002-07-16 22:33                               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-18 15:04                               ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-18 15:27                                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-18 15:50                                 ` stoffel
2002-07-18 16:29                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-19 15:28                               ` Sam Vilain
2002-07-17 18:51                     ` [ANNOUNCE] Ext3 vs Reiserfs benchmarks bill davidsen
2002-07-18  9:32                       ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-15 12:09       ` Matti Aarnio
     [not found] <20020712162306$aa7d@traf.lcs.mit.edu>
     [not found] ` <mit.lcs.mail.linux-kernel/20020712162306$aa7d@traf.lcs.mit.edu>
2002-07-15 15:22   ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2002-07-15 17:31     ` Chris Mason
2002-07-15 18:33     ` Matthias Andree
     [not found]     ` <20020715173337$acad@traf.lcs.mit.edu>
     [not found]       ` <mit.lcs.mail.linux-kernel/20020715173337$acad@traf.lcs.mit.edu>
2002-07-15 19:13         ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2002-07-15 20:55           ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-15 21:23             ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2002-07-15 21:38               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-16 12:31                 ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 15:53                   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-16 19:26                     ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 19:38                       ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-15 21:59               ` Ketil Froyn
2002-07-15 23:08                 ` Matti Aarnio
2002-07-16 12:33                   ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-15 22:55             ` Alan Cox
2002-07-15 21:58               ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-15 21:14           ` Chris Mason
2002-07-15 21:31             ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2002-07-15 22:12               ` Richard A Nelson
2002-07-16  1:02               ` Lawrence Greenfield
     [not found]                 ` <mit.lcs.mail.linux-kernel/200207160102.g6G12BiH022986@lin2.andrew.cmu.edu>
2002-07-16  1:43                   ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2002-07-16  1:56                     ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-16 12:47                     ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 21:09                     ` James Antill
2002-07-16 12:35             ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16  7:07     ` Dax Kelson

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