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From: Rob Landley <landley@trommello.org>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>,
	Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>, <frankeh@watson.ibm.com>,
	<davidm@hpl.hp.com>, David Mosberger <davidm@napali.hpl.hp.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>, <gh@us.ibm.com>,
	<Martin.Bligh@us.ibm.com>,
	William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: large page patch (fwd) (fwd)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:18:36 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200208131818.g7DIIgf321912@pimout5-ext.prodigy.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L.0208131425500.23404-100000@imladris.surriel.com>

On Tuesday 13 August 2002 01:29 pm, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > Also, a license is a two-way street. I do not think it is morally right
> > to change an _existing_ license for any other reason than the fact that
> > it has some technical legal problem.
>
> Agreed, but we might be running into one of these.
>
> > I don't like patents. But I absolutely _hate_ people who play politics
> > with other peoples code. Be up-front, not sneaky after-the-fact.
>
> Suppose somebody sends you a patch which implements a nice
> algorithm that just happens to be patented by that same
> somebody.  You don't know about the patent.

That would be entrapment.  When they submit the patch, they're giving you an 
implied license to use it, even if they don't SAY so, just because they 
voluntarily submitted it and can't claim to be surpised it was then used, or 
that they didn't want it to be.  You could put up a heck of a defense in 
court on that one.

It's people who submit patches that use OTHER people's patents you have to 
worry about, and that's something you just can't filter for with the patent 
numbers rapidly approaching what, eight digits?

> Having a license that explicitly states that people who
> contribute and use Linux shouldn't sue you over it might
> prevent some problems.

Such a clause is what IBM insisted on having in ITS open source license.  You 
sue, your rights under this license terminate, which is basically automatic 
grounds for a countersuit for infringement.

(IBM has a lot of lawyers, and they pay them a lot of money.  It's 
conceivable they may actually have a point from time to time... :)

> regards,
>
> Rik

Rob

  reply	other threads:[~2002-08-13 18:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <E17ahdi-0001RC-00@w-gerrit2>
2002-08-02 19:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-03  3:19   ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03  3:32     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-03  4:17       ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03  4:26         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-03  4:39           ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03  5:20             ` David S. Miller
2002-08-03 17:35               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-03 19:30                 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03 19:43                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-03 21:18                     ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03 21:54                       ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-04  0:35                         ` David S. Miller
2002-08-04  2:25                           ` David Mosberger
2002-08-04 17:19                             ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-09 15:20                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-09 15:56                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-09 16:15                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-09 16:31                                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-09 18:08                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-09 16:51                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-09 17:11                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-09 16:27                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-09 16:52                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-09 17:40                                       ` yodaiken
2002-08-09 19:15                                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-09 21:20                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-09 21:19                                         ` Marcin Dalecki
2002-08-09 17:46                                       ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2002-08-12  9:23                                     ` Helge Hafting
2002-08-13  3:15                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2002-08-13  3:31                                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-13  7:28                                         ` Helge Hafting
2002-08-09 21:38                                   ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-10 18:20                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-08-10 18:59                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-10 19:55                                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-10 19:54                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-08-09 18:32                                 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-09 18:43                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-09 19:17                                     ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-11 20:30                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-11 22:33                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-11 22:55                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-11 22:56                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-11 23:36                                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-08-12  0:46                                         ` Alan Cox
2002-08-11 23:42                                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-11 23:50                                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-08-12  8:22                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-13  8:40                                                 ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 15:06                                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-08-13 11:36                                                     ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 16:51                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-13 12:53                                                         ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 17:14                                                         ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
2002-08-13 17:29                                                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-13 13:18                                                           ` Rob Landley [this message]
2002-08-13 18:32                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-13 13:50                                                               ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 17:45                                                           ` Alexander Viro
2002-08-13 17:55                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-13 17:59                                                             ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-13 13:35                                                               ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 19:12                                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-22 12:03                                                           ` bill davidsen
     [not found]                                                       ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208130942130.7411-100000@home.transmeta.com >
2002-08-13 18:46                                                         ` large page patch (fwd) Mike Galbraith
2002-08-11 23:44                                           ` large page patch (fwd) (fwd) Daniel Phillips
2002-08-13  8:51                                             ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 16:47                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-13 13:09                                                 ` Rob Landley
2002-08-11 23:15                                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-08-12  1:26                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-12  5:05                                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-08-12 10:31                                           ` Alan Cox
2002-08-04  0:28                 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-04 17:31                   ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-04 18:38                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-04 19:23                       ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-04 19:28                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-05  5:42                           ` David S. Miller
2002-08-04 19:30                       ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-04 20:23                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-08-05 16:59                         ` David Mosberger
2002-08-05 17:21                           ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-05 21:10                             ` Jamie Lokier
2002-08-04 19:41                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-05  5:40                     ` David S. Miller
2002-08-03 18:41             ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-03 19:39               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-04  0:32                 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-03 19:41               ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03 20:53                 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-03 21:26                   ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03 21:50                     ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-04  0:34                   ` David S. Miller
2002-08-04  0:31                 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-04 17:25                   ` Hubertus Franke
     [not found] <200208041331.24895.frankeh@watson.ibm.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208041131380.10314-100000@home.transmeta.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <3D4D7F24.10AC4BDB@zip.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-08-04 20:20     ` Andi Kleen
2002-08-04 23:51       ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-08-05 23:30 Seth, Rohit
2002-08-06  5:01 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-06  4:58   ` David S. Miller
2002-08-06  5:19     ` David Mosberger
2002-08-06  5:08       ` David S. Miller
2002-08-06  5:32         ` David Mosberger
2002-08-06 19:11 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-06 20:38 Luck, Tony
2002-08-06 21:03 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-09 17:51 Seth, Rohit

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