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From: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
To: torvalds@transmeta.com
Cc: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, david-b@pacbell.net,
	mdharm-kernel@one-eyed-alien.net, greg@kroah.com,
	linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: [BK PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.34
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:29:53 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020910.122953.123339054.davem@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209101156510.7106-100000@home.transmeta.com>


The way I see it, FATAL() is the only thing that really should escape
from my local tree and end up ever being a permanent fixture of the
code that is in the standard sources.

The other WARN/DEBUG variants seem, at least to me, to be a prime
candidate for unmaintained clutter.

Also, another big win of OHSHIT(), or BUG_ON() or whatever you
want to call it is that the thing is so cheap.  Both in terms
of space (no strings, no calls with varags arguments, 1 instruction)
and time (a cycle or two).

With these DEBUG/WARN/FATAL things with the strings, I am much less
likely to ever add them to code I am writing.  Simply because I'll
say "hmmm that's expensive, the check isn't that important"

On the other hand I do recognize your user side arguments.

But to counter the "BUG with locks freezes box" argument, 9 times out
of 10 the thing that you are BUG()'ing on will freeze up the box
anyways with the same locks held when some other thread of execution
derefences some bad pointer created by, or as a side effect of, the
erroneous state.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-09-10 19:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-09-09 22:17 Greg KH
2002-09-10  0:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10  0:19   ` Greg KH
2002-09-10  0:30     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10  0:40       ` [linux-usb-devel] " Alan Cox
2002-09-10  1:41         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10  1:48           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 10:23     ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-10  0:35   ` Nicholas Miell
2002-09-10  1:01     ` [patch] dump_stack(): arch-neutral stack trace Andrew Morton
2002-09-15  4:34       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-15  4:51         ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-10  1:27     ` [BK PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.34 Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10  2:07   ` Matthew Dharm
2002-09-10  2:49     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10  2:59       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 16:32       ` [linux-usb-devel] " David Brownell
2002-09-10 16:51         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 17:16           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-10 18:16             ` David S. Miller
2002-09-10 18:40               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 18:48                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-10 19:31                 ` David S. Miller
2002-09-10 19:32                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-09-10 19:38                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 19:43                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-10 21:52                   ` Bill Davidsen
2002-09-10 22:02                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-10 18:44           ` Alan Cox
2002-09-10 19:03             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 19:27               ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-10 20:18                 ` Alan Cox
2002-09-10 22:00                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-10 22:23                   ` Alan Cox
2002-09-10 22:26                   ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-10 23:01                     ` Alan Cox
2002-09-10 19:29               ` David S. Miller [this message]
2002-09-15  5:10               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-15  5:33                 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-09-15 16:41                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  0:32                     ` Horst von Brand
2002-09-15  6:07                 ` Pete Zaitcev
2002-09-15  7:00                   ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-15 14:53                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-15 18:23                     ` Pete Zaitcev
2002-09-15 18:34                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-16  0:55                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-15 20:05                   ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-15 21:35                   ` Rob Landley
2002-09-16  3:00                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-16  3:08                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 11:16                       ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-09-16 18:35                       ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-16 18:45                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 19:36                           ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-16 19:40                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  8:50                     ` Ian Molton
2002-09-16  9:37                       ` Rob Landley
2002-09-15 18:06                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-15 18:36                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-15 19:04                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-09-15 19:43                     ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-15 19:43                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-15 23:24                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-15 23:41                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-09-15 23:52                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-16  0:01                           ` Robert Love
2002-09-16  1:29                           ` Alan Cox
2002-09-16  2:13                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-16 11:05                               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-09-16 14:05                               ` Rogier Wolff
2002-09-16 16:24                               ` Marco Colombo
2002-09-16  0:44                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  1:23                       ` Alan Cox
2002-09-15 19:07                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  9:06                     ` Jens Axboe
2002-09-16 15:15                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 15:59                         ` kernel debuggers was [Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: [BK PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.34] Soewono Effendi
2002-09-16 14:14                     ` [linux-usb-devel] Re: [BK PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.34 David Woodhouse
2002-09-16 14:53                       ` Jens Axboe
2002-09-15 19:08                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-15 19:10                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-15 19:26                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-15 19:32                         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-09-15 19:48                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  4:59                             ` Jeff Dike
2002-09-16  4:05                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  4:55                           ` Jeff Dike
2002-09-15 19:35                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  4:51                       ` Jeff Dike
2002-09-16 15:29                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-09-18  0:33                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-18  0:46                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18  0:50                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-18  1:16                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-15 13:54               ` Rogier Wolff
2002-09-15  5:01           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10 16:46       ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-10 16:56         ` Vojtech Pavlik

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