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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@digeo.com>, Daniel Jacobowitz <dan@debian.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>,
	Matthew Dharm <mdharm-kernel@one-eyed-alien.net>,
	Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: [BK PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.34
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:43:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E17qfIx-00008h-00@starship> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3D84E2DB.6B189E7A@digeo.com>

On Sunday 15 September 2002 21:43, Andrew Morton wrote:
> I suspect the example which you give is not a very typical one.  Generally
> people use kgdb for poking around looking at kernel state.  I almost never
> single-step.  I set breakpoints so that I can inspect state within a
> particular context, and for coverage testing ("is this path being executed").

Right, I almost never single-step either.  Probably, my favorite technique
is to replace BUG() with asm("int3").

> Also as a replacement for printk/rebuild/reboot.

Yup.  I still use a lot of printks, but they are mostly for tracing, not
triangulation.

> Also for inspecting ad-hoc instrumentation: just add `some_global_int++;'
> and then take a look at its value - much quicker than exposing it via /proc.

Yep, I noticed you doing that, very useful, I picked up that technique
from you.  Then I made a little all-purpose proc interface for myself
to make it easy to export my stats structures, which is kind of nice too,
because then you can put a patch out with the hooks still in it, making
it easier for others to participate in the analysis.

> It's also very good to have kgdb on hand when you happen to hit a
> really rare bug - I hit a weirdo request queue corruption thing the
> other day, an hour into a `dbench 1024' run.  Was able to get a
> decent amount of information.  Heaven knows how long it would take
> to make that bug trigger a second time...

Yes, this last one applies equally to kdb, but since I'm not relying
on kdb at the moment, best to leave the lid on that can of flamable
material.

-- 
Daniel

  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-15 19:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-09-09 22:17 Greg KH
2002-09-10  0:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10  0:19   ` Greg KH
2002-09-10  0:30     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10  0:40       ` [linux-usb-devel] " Alan Cox
2002-09-10  1:41         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10  1:48           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 10:23     ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-10  0:35   ` Nicholas Miell
2002-09-10  1:01     ` [patch] dump_stack(): arch-neutral stack trace Andrew Morton
2002-09-15  4:34       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-15  4:51         ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-10  1:27     ` [BK PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.34 Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10  2:07   ` Matthew Dharm
2002-09-10  2:49     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10  2:59       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 16:32       ` [linux-usb-devel] " David Brownell
2002-09-10 16:51         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 17:16           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-10 18:16             ` David S. Miller
2002-09-10 18:40               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 18:48                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-10 19:31                 ` David S. Miller
2002-09-10 19:32                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-09-10 19:38                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 19:43                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-10 21:52                   ` Bill Davidsen
2002-09-10 22:02                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-10 18:44           ` Alan Cox
2002-09-10 19:03             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 19:27               ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-10 20:18                 ` Alan Cox
2002-09-10 22:00                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-10 22:23                   ` Alan Cox
2002-09-10 22:26                   ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-10 23:01                     ` Alan Cox
2002-09-10 19:29               ` David S. Miller
2002-09-15  5:10               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-15  5:33                 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-09-15 16:41                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  0:32                     ` Horst von Brand
2002-09-15  6:07                 ` Pete Zaitcev
2002-09-15  7:00                   ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-15 14:53                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-15 18:23                     ` Pete Zaitcev
2002-09-15 18:34                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-16  0:55                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-15 20:05                   ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-15 21:35                   ` Rob Landley
2002-09-16  3:00                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-16  3:08                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 11:16                       ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-09-16 18:35                       ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-16 18:45                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 19:36                           ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-16 19:40                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  8:50                     ` Ian Molton
2002-09-16  9:37                       ` Rob Landley
2002-09-15 18:06                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-15 18:36                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-15 19:04                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-09-15 19:43                     ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-15 19:43                       ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2002-09-15 23:24                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-15 23:41                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-09-15 23:52                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-16  0:01                           ` Robert Love
2002-09-16  1:29                           ` Alan Cox
2002-09-16  2:13                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-16 11:05                               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-09-16 14:05                               ` Rogier Wolff
2002-09-16 16:24                               ` Marco Colombo
2002-09-16  0:44                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  1:23                       ` Alan Cox
2002-09-15 19:07                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  9:06                     ` Jens Axboe
2002-09-16 15:15                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 15:59                         ` kernel debuggers was [Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: [BK PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.34] Soewono Effendi
2002-09-16 14:14                     ` [linux-usb-devel] Re: [BK PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.34 David Woodhouse
2002-09-16 14:53                       ` Jens Axboe
2002-09-15 19:08                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-15 19:10                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-15 19:26                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-15 19:32                         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-09-15 19:48                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  4:59                             ` Jeff Dike
2002-09-16  4:05                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  4:55                           ` Jeff Dike
2002-09-15 19:35                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  4:51                       ` Jeff Dike
2002-09-16 15:29                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-09-18  0:33                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-18  0:46                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18  0:50                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-18  1:16                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-15 13:54               ` Rogier Wolff
2002-09-15  5:01           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10 16:46       ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-10 16:56         ` Vojtech Pavlik

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