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From: Ville Herva <vherva@niksula.hut.fi>
To: James Stevenson <james@stev.org>
Cc: ebiederm@xmission.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: One for the Security Guru's
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:11:26 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021024101126.GQ147946@niksula.cs.hut.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1035411315.5377.8.camel@god.stev.org>

On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 11:15:14PM +0100, you [James Stevenson] wrote:
> 
> As to load a module you must be root and if you are root you
> can read / write disks. Thus you could recompile your own kernel
> install it try to force a crash or a reboot which is not hard as root
> and the person may not even notice that the kernel has grown by a few
> bytes after the crash.

Which is why some people configure kernels not to support installing modules
and only use read-only media (e.g. CD-R) for booting. Sure, there's still
the /dev/kmem hole, but this closes 2 classes of attacks - loading rootkit
module and booting with a hacked kernel in straight-forward way.

BTW, this might be a reason to make kexec syscall to be a config option (if
it isn't already.) The other reason is to avoid bloat for people that don't
need it, but perhaps this is a stronger argument. I realize you can propably
launch the kernel by hand (using /dev/kmem etc) if you really know what to
do. But the same applies to adding code/patching kernel without
CONFIG_MODULES support.


-- v --

v@iki.fi

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-10-24 10:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-23 13:02 Robert L. Harris
2002-10-23 13:13 ` John Jasen
2002-10-23 13:20 ` Keith Owens
2002-10-24  7:56   ` Greg KH
2002-10-23 13:45 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-23 13:59   ` Gilad Ben-ossef
2002-10-23 22:14     ` James Cleverdon
2002-10-23 22:17       ` James Stevenson
2002-10-23 22:39         ` James Cleverdon
2002-10-23 22:44           ` James Stevenson
2002-10-24  6:12         ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2002-11-06 21:39       ` Florian Weimer
2002-10-23 14:57 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-23 17:56   ` Gerhard Mack
2002-10-24  9:38     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
     [not found]       ` <ap8f36$8ge$1@dstl.gov.uk>
2002-10-24 10:01         ` Tony Gale
2002-10-24 16:13           ` Gerhard Mack
2002-10-24 16:39             ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-24 16:34               ` David Lang
2002-10-24 17:04               ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2002-10-25  9:44                 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2002-10-25 20:52                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-10-26 10:43                     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-27 10:17                       ` Rogier Wolff
2002-10-28  7:47                       ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-10-24 22:02               ` Danny Lepage
2002-10-25  9:40                 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2002-10-24 14:23       ` Gilad Ben-ossef
2002-10-25  4:09       ` Stephen Satchell
2002-10-25 13:47         ` Stephen Frost
2002-10-26 10:38           ` Rogier Wolff
2002-10-26  9:44       ` Rogier Wolff
2002-10-26 10:46         ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-23 16:23 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-23 17:55   ` David Lang
2002-10-23 19:46     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-10-23 22:15 ` James Stevenson
2002-10-24  9:47   ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-25 12:28     ` Daniel Egger
2002-10-25 15:22       ` Alex Riesen
2002-10-25 16:38       ` Stephen Satchell
2002-10-25 18:21       ` [OT] " J Sloan
2002-10-26 10:40     ` OT " Rogier Wolff
2002-10-24 10:11   ` Ville Herva [this message]
2002-10-24 11:09     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-24 11:55       ` Alan Cox
2002-10-24 14:40         ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-24 15:36           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-24 16:46     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-24  6:04 ` David Wagner
2002-10-23 21:49 Hank Leininger

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